MARVEL'S STATEMENT ON CAPTAIN AMERICA #25

[MattBrady]

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CapAmerica/DDream/CWFSWOLV01_dc2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CapAmerica/DDream/CWFSWOLV01_dc2_t.jpg" border="0" align="right" hspace=5></a>Asked for comment by Newsarama about the apparent death of Captain America in this week’s <b>Captain America #25</b>, the publisher issued the following statement which reinforced the hero’s current status, as well as revealed for the first time the full title of <b>Fallen Son</b>:

<blockquote>"Captain America will continue to be published despite the very real death of Steve Rogers.

Next week, <b>Civil War: The Confession</b> features the final moments of his life.

In April & May, <b>Fallen Son: Death of Captain America</b> will follow the Marvel Universe’s reaction to this tragedy.</blockquote><a href="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CapAmerica/DDream/CWFSWOLV01_dc22.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CapAmerica/DDream/CWFSWOLV01_dc22_t.jpg" border="0" hspace=5 align="left"></a><blockquote>Also in May, <b>Captain America #26</b> is where the aftermath of his death must be faced, beginning with the autopsy of his body.

Comments from Ms. Marvel in this week’s <b>Civil War: The Initiative</b>, which seemed to indicate that Captain America is still alive, and being held prisoner by the Pro-Registration forces may not have been exactly what they seemed on the surface, and events related to those comments will play out in upcoming issues of <b>New Avengers</b>.

So, yes, Captain America, Steve Rogers, is dead."</blocquote>

<i>Newsarama Note: Look for follow-ups on the events of <b>Captain America #25</b> through the remainder of this week.</i>

[General_Tojo]

So I guess all those folks saying "You don't actually see him die" in CA #25 is just wishful thinking.

I hope in some Marvel comic, somewhere, we get to see the words "You killed Captain America" spoken to Tony Stark. Maybe somewhere around where we see someone say "You killed Aunt May."

You know, in a way, killing him off was the only way the Marvel Universe could go on without having half the U.S. population hate Cap. When he comes back, he'll be a hero again.

[ME5]

Hello.

I can honestly state that Steve Rogers will be back within the next 5 years. I will stake my entire comic collection on it. I do find this to be an interesting looking story, and trust Mr. Brubaker will take us on an incredible ride with this story line.

Read and enjoy, all.

Be Well...:)

[Steve J.]

When will Marvel announce the second printing of Captain America #25? From what I hear, Diamond has none - all reorders are on back-order.

[jza1218]

I remember when Aunt May died the first time...

LMD!

[Punchy]

aaargh.<sdsdsdlsdjlsjdsljdslj>

[Dr Heartless]

Having just read issue #25 I can say it is a amazing story and I really like where this is going. It's nice that someone could give me a good ending to Civil War.

[shady878]

CA dead? LoL

[Scott King]

Where was I when Captain America died? I was glancing over the headlines of CNN and was spoiled. That's where I was. Where were you?

[EyesBL7]

Hello.

I can honestly state that Steve Rogers will be back within the next 5 years. I will stake my entire comic collection on it. I do find this to be an interesting looking story, and trust Mr. Brubaker will take us on an incredible ride with this story line.

Read and enjoy, all.

Be Well...:)


I'll bet three MONTHS.

[shady878]

I remember when Aunt May died the first time...

LMD!

I remember too, it had the gimmick tombstone cover

[Scorned1]

They can take this statement and shove it up where the sun don't shine. I don't care about anything about Marvel anymore. Marvel comics is dead to me.

It is time for Quesada to go.

[justice~!]

Of course. Because Marvel is going to issue a statement on the same day they contacted all the major press outlets that would say, in effect,

"Don't worry everyone! We're only going to be doing this "death" thing for somewhere between 6-12 months, despite what we told the MSM. Don't be fooled!"

I know this sounds a little too bitter and cynical (and I'm happy to take this back if it turns out this is for real), but does it feel as if the marketing towards this is to a less discerning or much younger reader? I'm 29, for perspective.

[caats19]

i went and made sure to buy a copy. i read Dc. but i guess this is quite the big deal! naturally we got a bunch of spinoffs. and i just think it's really bad that marvel told the press/media without giving their readers a chance to go read it! so many of them had it spoiled at news places. it just seems like they wanted the publicity and didn't care what it would do to their readers

[vbartilucci]

"Not only is he merely dead,
He's really quite sincerely dead!"

[Scorned1]

I remember when Aunt May died the first time...

LMD!

Man, no body give a flying crap about Aunt May. She was a useless character anyway.

[BasMallee]

Always hated your drug induced moralism, your 'make-mine-machismo', your childish heroism, your ugly logo and the fact that you never had a moustache.

[tralfaz]

captain america didnt die, he just turned into a cow. marvel will milk this civil war and death until we're all sick of it... which will be sometime around summer with, Civil War: The Return II

will this civil war storyline ever end?

[powerboy]

This just reeks of faked death. Captain America was one of the best books Marvel put out. I hope it continues to be so (even if Bucky becomes Captain America).

[Punchy]

At least now he has a good excuse to not be on myspace.

[michaelman9]

this was an awesome issue. yeah, they'll probably bring him back down the line, but for now,this is an awesome story and a great book.

When the guys at my office are in line waiting to read it, we've got a winner.

[Rotter]

What's that blinking red light? Yep, I'll be darned...the "Out Of Ideas" indicator on Marvel's dashboard is flashing.

I'm just waiting for someone at Marvel to announce "by the time 'Civil War' and its aftermath wraps up, the readership will welcome us as liberators."

[seethruhero]

After all that, he get's killed by gunfire in handcuffs?

What a punk way to kill a freaking legend.

Marvel keeps finding ways to push me off as a reader.

[jonnynyc]

now we see why they brought back bucky
this is so lame
poor ed brubaker
he made cap/steve so great and now they took him away from him

[White Knight]

Hello.

I can honestly state that Steve Rogers will be back within the next 5 years. I will stake my entire comic collection on it. I do find this to be an interesting looking story, and trust Mr. Brubaker will take us on an incredible ride with this story line.

Read and enjoy, all.

Be Well...:)

5 years? you have to be kidding, 2008 at the latest he will be back. In fact, I will bet it will on be July (4) 2008.

[Jef]

They can take this statement and shove it up where the sun don't shine. I don't care about anything about Marvel anymore. Marvel comics is dead to me.

It is time for Quesada to go.


Good point. The buckets full of money that Marvel is raking in for their publishing line will certainly communicate to Marvel that they need to get rid of their Editor In Chief.

Also, your priorities are well balanced and you seem like a wonderful person with whom to pass the time.

[tfitz]

Shock value at it's best. That's what this is. On many levels. First the news we all hear. The outrage posted here and all the other sites proves being a Martyr is indeed very powerful. Then we all realize Cap will Def. be back vie LMD, staged death, etc.

To me, what this is, is just for publicity to bring in new readers while basically spitting on long term readers. I will buy and read this book very carefully. After that, I truly do not know if I will continue buying Marvel comics, and I've been buying them for 30+ years. After all, it looks like Joe Q is more interested in new readers than keeping long term readers.

[Skatonic10]

So here's the thing... if Marvel ever plans on bringing a Captain America film to the big screen... they are going to have to bring Steve back. Some how, some way.

That being said... I'm REALLY surprised they actually went through with it and killed him off. Although he may be chillin with Nick Fury.

[jza1218]

Man, no body give a flying crap about Aunt May. She was a useless character anyway.

And they still brought her back which was my point

[Skatonic10]

now we see why they brought back bucky
this is so lame
poor ed brubaker
he made cap/steve so great and now they took him away from him

I think the plans to bring back Bucky go back way longer than the CW plans stem

[jza1218]

now we see why they brought back bucky
this is so lame
poor ed brubaker
he made cap/steve so great and now they took him away from him

Haha...considering Bucky's off the grid as Winter Soldier, wouldn't it be wild if he came back with a new identity, dyed his hair blonde and named himself Steve Rogers

Then, two years from now, they can pretend that it's always been good ol Steve Rogers and retcon out his shooting death.

[Gladiator X]

I can honestly state that Steve Rogers will be back within the next 5 years.


Too bad that I probably won't be around to read it.

I don't want to read about somebody else trying to be Cap.I've bought this book for 3 decades because of Steve Rogers,Man of the 40's and greatest hero of WWII,in modern times.

What the ____?Is this DC,where all that matters is the costume?

I thought at Marvel,the person behind the mask was what was important?

I'm giving Marvel 6 months and if Steve isn't alive and on his way back to being Cap then I'm ____ing done with new comics.

I still have plenty of holes in my collection and there will always be archives to buy but this is just about the last ____ing straw for me.

The last few years at Marvel have been pretty exciting but it ain't the ____ I want to read anymore.I'm SICK of reading about my heroess being tore down and destroyed for stupid ass shock value stories.
Doesn't anyone at Marvel have a clue how to write heroic individuals triumphing over evil and beating the odds?

This just sucks ass.:mad: :mad:



(PS:No,I am not going to start an internet hate group but for TODAY,I am ____in' "Internet-Pissed"!)

[JeffCapo]

I like how they said about a character's death having a meaning, this is right after they bring Mar-Vell back for no reason.:mad:

[jonnynyc]

i feel like i just said this about dick grayson and dad didio
these characters have been around for almost 70 years
they are more important than the people who run these companies who will never be around that long
why can't they respect that
it just seems like and ego driven choice to kill a character like steve
and if its not ego
than its just a huge sales ploy
and either way it's lame

[ScottRowland]

I'm betting it's a hoax, to allow Cap some privacy/maybe freedom. Officially, he's dead, but really still around, either operating as a superhero under a new identity, or in custody somewhere.

I mean, come on, this is part of a storyline that had Tony Stark and his allies cloning Thor.

Like with the death of Superman, the real test of the storyline is whether they do good stories showing the reaction to the event, not whether the event is reversed later. Sadly, given how well out of character stories are selling for Marvel these days, I don't expect to enjoy the stories they will tell.

[Hellblazer]

Hello.

I can honestly state that Steve Rogers will be back within the next 5 years. I will stake my entire comic collection on it. I do find this to be an interesting looking story, and trust Mr. Brubaker will take us on an incredible ride with this story line.

Read and enjoy, all.

Be Well...:)

Shall I send you my address, just in case ? :D

[khuxford]

5 years? you have to be kidding, 2008 at the latest he will be back. In fact, I will bet it will on be July (4) 2008.

July 4th is on a Wednesday this year...and on a Friday in 2008...so it can't happen on that exact date. :p

[Bald Steve]

Where was I when Captain America died? I was glancing over the headlines of CNN and was spoiled. That's where I was. Where were you?

I was opening Yahoo News when I got into work this morning and, being their top story, it was the first thing I saw this morning. I'm three hours back in Los Angeles and usually don't pick up my pull until after work, but this is ridiculous.

Same thing happened with Spiderman's unmasking in CW. I check the news (as I do every morning) and find press releases, unavoidable headlines, and stories blowing the two biggest "surprises" Marvel has offered in the last year, effectively eliminating the possibility of properly experiencing the impact of these events. It would be like M. Night Shamalan sending out a press release that said, "Hey dumbasses: Willis is one of the dead people" the day The Sixth Sense came out.

It just sucks. I've been reading cap comics for 20 years, and now I won't get to experience the moment. Thanks, guys.

[DarkNomis]

I like how they said about a character's death having a meaning, this is right after they bring Mar-Vell back for no reason.:mad:

Amen to that. that was such a classic story how he died and now he's back for what reason?

If youre' an old timer like me you knw there is no "real" death in Marvel since they cloned Gwen Stacey, brought back Jean Grey (which after all these years i'm STILL pissed off about it, and NO , I'm not letteing it go!!!) and now Cap.

So Bucky or Patriot or the Punisher or whoever will fill in the shoes for cap and 5 years from now we'll find out that the one that got shot was some clone are something.

[AAB]

Brubaker and Epting have produced some great work with Captain America.

Imagine if Marvel Comics knew how to market and advertise their works of fiction in a way that has mass appeal in appreciation for artistic creativity and thought provoking discussions instead of event head line driven sparks like on today's CNN. -Any press is good press as long as it does not begin where it started, in hype (the Tsunami and Next lines of books, and "Civil War: The Return")

I guess Disney did not become the number one merchandising behemoth by being thought provoking, yet some recent Marvel Comics stories have shown depth (Bendis/Maleev's work in "Alias", Morrision/Quitely first arc on "New X-Men", Morrison/Lee's "Fantastic Four 1234", Milligan/Allred on "X-Force" and "X-Statix", Millar/Hitch's epic "Ultimates", Ellis/Granov's "Ironman: Extremis" story, and Quesada's "Daredevil Father") and provide some great entertainment no matter how old one is. I still think that even though the event driven headlines can stir a buzz in the mainstream, this should be followed up via some interviews and articles conveying the quality work that Marvel has produced in the past 7 years.

This could instigate more than a pop cultural movement in a generation that could enjoy inspiring and insightful stories along with spending thier money on some Marvel brand associated goods. You would feel that your spending is justified in valuing quality and cutting edge art and entertainment.

[ThomasC22]

Too bad that I probably won't be around to read it.

I don't want to read about somebody else trying to be Cap.I've bought this book for 3 decades because of Steve Rogers,Man of the 40's and greatest hero of WWII,in modern times.

I still have plenty of holes in my collection and there will always be archives to buy but this is just about the last ____ing straw for me.


You clearly do have some holes in your collection because the truth is Steven Rogers has given up (or been forcefully removed from) the Captain America identity several times dating back to the 50s (frozen in the ocean was actually a retcon, maybe the first retcon ever now that I think of it)

I don't think this will be permanent, I think Joe Q. has already shown that he doesn't have the intestinal fortitude to enforce his "dead is dead" edict ("Dead is Dead! oh, unless you want to bring someone back Mr. #insert hollywood celeb here#).

More telling than anything is that they don't seem to have a permanent replacement in place. Winter Soldier might be fun for a year or so (think Azrael as Batman) but he's not going to carry the title. Without a replacement Cap. already lined up and with a movie in the works it seems unlikely that Cap will stay dead past '07.

[GATES71]

Where was I when Captain America died? I was glancing over the headlines of CNN and was spoiled. That's where I was. Where were you?

I was hit with it when I logged on the internet today. On my MSN homepage no less. Ah! I remember it like it was just this morning!

[BamaRainbow]

5 years? you have to be kidding, 2008 at the latest he will be back. In fact, I will bet it will on be July (4) 2008.

Nope, July 4, 2008 is a Friday. :D

[Spade]

5 years? you have to be kidding, 2008 at the latest he will be back. In fact, I will bet it will on be July (4) 2008.
I don't even give it 3 to 6 months.

Well let me say 3- 6 issues. Knowing Marvel the books will not ship on time for whatever reason.

[Eison]

After all that, he get's killed by gunfire in handcuffs?

What a punk way to kill a freaking legend.

Marvel keeps finding ways to push me off as a reader.


Well they "ended" Civil War with him crying and quiting, why not punk him out in death as well?

[Ravager]

Anyone read the back? McGuiness on on Ultimates? Yes, but its not gonna be released for about another year and a half!!!!!

[protonik]

Having just read issue #25 I can say it is a amazing story and I really like where this is going. It's nice that someone could give me a good ending to Civil War.

And yet, it's not over....

[Starlord]

They can take this statement and shove it up where the sun don't shine. I don't care about anything about Marvel anymore. Marvel comics is dead to me.

It is time for Quesada to go.

:eek: I think I see now why they tell me not to enter the front pages.

[Lex]

"Where were you when Captain America died?"

I was reading DC Comics.

Happily. :)

[Ravager]

:eek: I think I see now why they tell me not to enter the front pages.
They have the stink of eeeeeeeeeeeeeevil...........

[protonik]

captain america didnt die, he just turned into a cow. marvel will milk this civil war and death until we're all sick of it... which will be sometime around summer with, Civil War: The Return II

will this civil war storyline ever end?

COnsidering Decimation is only JUST NOW wrapping up, I'd say about two years.

[alf]

Well...this should make "Fallen Son: The Death of Captain America: Captain America" an interesting read.

[XtremeX]

This was a great story when it was done the first time... in the Superman comics.

So does "Reign of the Captain America's" start up after "Funeral for a Friend?"

[Nightfly]

Doesn't that "stunned world" know (by now) in America we kill criminal terrorists?

[Jason Green]

To me, what this is, is just for publicity to bring in new readers while basically spitting on long term readers. I will buy and read this book very carefully. After that, I truly do not know if I will continue buying comics, and I've been buying them for 30+ years. After all, it looks like Joe Q is more interested in new readers than keeping long term readers.

That....seems a little extreme. You do know Marvel is just one of MANY companies that publish comic books, right? If you don't like what Marvel's doing, why not support DC, or better yet, Image, Dark Horse, Top Shelf, Oni, Dynamite, :01 First Second, or any of the other companies out there publishing GREAT comics that not nearly enough people are reading?

Seems stupid to me to give up on an entire medium because of one book you don't like....that's like saying "Lost sucks, I'm never going to turn on my TV again."

[Scorned1]

Good point. The buckets full of money that Marvel is raking in for their publishing line will certainly communicate to Marvel that they need to get rid of their Editor In Chief.

You really think that humiliating and killing off Captain America will bring Marvel cash? What plane of reality are you on boy?

[alan brown]

Blame Joe Quesada all you want, but all he's doing is giving the people what they want. Apparently, the people want HUGE CROSSOVERS and UNIVERSE CHANGING EVENTS.
The people don't buy good stories that are well drawn, but in which no one dies or returns from the dead or changes the course of the marvel universe as we know it.

Don't take my word for it, just look at the sales charts for the last 12 months.

Problem is, giving the people what they want all the time means massive events encompass every title and run back-to-back, meaning there isn't any room left to squeeze good stories in between, or in the margins.

I hate the people.

[johnchrist]

Ok looking forward to see where this is going, obviously they'll have someone else take up mantle of Cap America, question is who.
Hopefully he stays dead for at least a few year (a previous poster predicted 5 years, that would probably be a good timeline), since we all know that a superhero death in a comic is rarely, if ever, permanent.
Also, anyone prepared for Reed and Stark to clone him: Cap'n Clone, Cloned America, Steve Cloners.... ? :)

[Punchy]

You really think that humiliating and killing off Captain America will bring Marvel cash? What plane of reality are you on boy?

The plane of reality where the killing and humiliating of Superman brought DC cash.

[Dave Accampo]

You know what's really telling?

I just read through the first page of comments. Only one poster appears to have read the story and he said that it was an amazing story and he looks forward to seeing what they do next.

Everyone saying he'll be back in three months is amusing, too, since that's what everyone was saying when they unmasked Daredevil. Or similarly, the way many speculated that CW would somehow "reset" the changes made by House of M.

If Marvel has it in them, they'll stick with it. I see that here.

I think 5 years is a good possibility, but I guarantee it's not gonna be three months. Marvel is very writer-focused these days, and I see a lot more material from a dead Cap than a live one.

[Gladiator X]

You clearly do have some holes in your collection because the truth is Steven Rogers has given up (or been forcefully removed from) the Captain America identity several times dating back to the 50s (frozen in the ocean was actually a retcon, maybe the first retcon ever now that I think of it)




I know.The very first Cap story that I read and the one that started me buying his book was the Nomad Saga back in the 70's.Steve was still a part of the book and hadn't been killed.
He was also replaced for a short while with the guy who would become USAgent.Steve was still alive and and a part of the book during that time.
The end of Vol. III (or was it IV) ended with Cap dead and the book was instantly rebooted with him Steve as Cap.

I know this is probably only temporary but I don't want to have to read about another "Kyle Rayner" for years until I get the real deal back.I don't have the patience for that crap anymore.

6 months.If Steve is still dead.I'm done.

I didn't buy a single DC book for over 6 years when they killed Hal Jordan and I won't have a problem doing the same with Marvel if they try the same ____.Unfortunately,I'm 41 and If I quit again,this time is probably gonna be it.

[palefire]

I'm REALLY surprised they actually went through with it and killed him off. Although he may be chillin with Nick Fury.

He's chilling with Nick.

[spacekicker]

But it's fun to see it go bonkers.

The idea that Cap could be taken out by a sniper is hilarious considering the hail of gunfire that he routinely dodges in like EVERY comic book.

Could you imagine all those high powered super villians

Taskmaster "by a sniper?!"

Red Skull "one bullet?!"

What a bunch of noobs. Doesn't take any superpowers, just someone going all lee harvey on him when he isn't looking.

lol

hilarious

[Scorned1]

That....seems a little extreme. You do know Marvel is just one of MANY companies that publish comic books, right? If you don't like what Marvel's doing, why not support DC, or better yet, Image, Dark Horse, Top Shelf, Oni, Dynamite, :01 First Second, or any of the other companies out there publishing GREAT comics that not nearly enough people are reading?

Seems stupid to me to give up on an entire medium because of one book you don't like....that's like saying "Lost sucks, I'm never going to turn on my TV again."

Yeah man, I am mostly an Image and DC guy from now on until Quesada gets the boots. I really enjoy Dynamo 5 that came out of Image today. Damn that book is good.

[sol]

Hello.

I can honestly state that Steve Rogers will be back within the next 5 years. I will stake my entire comic collection on it. I do find this to be an interesting looking story, and trust Mr. Brubaker will take us on an incredible ride with this story line.

Read and enjoy, all.

Be Well...:)
Well, Marvel has certainly staked mine on it. This is garbage...this is the best thing to show the rich blahbeddyblah that Cap means to the Marvel brand (I take this from the SImon vs. Marvel trial statement)?

They went and killed my favorite character.

Now, to be be fair, The Initiative has a conversation that contradicts this, but it could have been a lie, or another 'not on the same page with continuity Marvel snafu'. I'm around...for now..but i doubt it'll be for long.

[Kenro]

I don't get the uproar. We've played this game before. It's hard to take any death from any compnay that seriously. Like Joe Q said, it's about the "illusion of change". This worked much different back in the day with Superman because, there was nothing going on in the world at the time. Now in 2007 you have stories fighting for the spotlight in a very busy news cycle.

Steve Rogers will be back as Captain America when Marvel needs him to come back. And it'll be GREAT when he does. I already she my tears when Aunt May died in Amazing #400. It was a great death only to not matter after that. Like i've said before, we've all played this game and we all know these things happen. Just like new costumes, upgrades and new secret identities.

[Lucifer]

I wonder when Peter Parker is going to get the letter saying that Captain America is alive and well living in the year 1602 and he needs to get Back to the Future!

[Scorned1]

The plane of reality where the killing and humiliating of Superman brought DC cash.

huh? DC never had Superman surrendering like a school girl. Didn't he died in a fight with Doomsday? notice the words "died in a fight".

[MitchHundred]

So bru, been setting up thie bucky's the new cap thing for a while, ey?

[BlueBeetleIII]

I am waiting to be told by Joe Q that anyone who doesn't like it is just a "fanboy". Of course everyone who loves it is a rational well thought out individual capable of independent thought. Unless of course it sells badly, ala Fight Club Thunderbolts, and then all will be back and never mentioned again.

Again, I will wait until I read my issue, kind of pointless because it is all over the place.
I will read #26. But if this does not go a good way and we get yet another "Replacement Cap" then I am gone.

They blew a real oppurtunity to do a good surprise. But this way they can do the "super special 2nd edition director's cut" because most stores will not have bought enough.

[Punchy]

huh? DC never had Superman surrendering like a school girl. Didn't he died in a fight with Doomsday? notice the words "died in a fight".

He wasn't humiliated at the same time.

He was humiliated at different times, the mullet, infinite crisis emo superman, plenty of times.

[bollandfan]

I'm sure he'll be back before long....maybe not as Steve Rogers, but still as Captain America looking just about the same. This is just a shallow marketing move that will of course generate big publicity and sales because that's what the average reader likes. I can't blame Marvel for doing it, but artistically, it is a very cowardly and lazy move.

[Brand Echh]

I love Cap and I'm a big Golden Age fan... but I'm okay with him dead.

I particularly like that he wasn't snuffed out by Baron Zemo or some cosmic menace, but by a sniper's bullet. What's more, I hope it ends up being some random lunatic, not someone hired by the Kingpin or the Red Skull or any major villain.

Unlike a lot of Marvel heroes (though, admittedly like a lot of DC ones), it's long been established that there have been many people to take up Cap's shield over the years. Steve's been out of the cowl for weeks and sometimes decades, but there's always a Captain America.

I know Bucky is the obvious choice as new cap, and I know Marvel likes going against obvious choices, but I really hope Bucky gets the gig. I can't think of someone who is both best suited and least suited at the same time - that's great for story potential.

Also, and I know this sounds weird, but I hope he stays dead. Not forever mind you. He'll be back in some form eventually but I hope they let him rest for a while to make his return much more signifigant (Thanos), and I hope they don't reveal him to have just been in hiding and no one noticed (Green Goblin), and I hope they make a big deal out of his return instead of just making it an aside (Captain Marvel), and I hope they don't reveal his death to have been faked with an LMD or actor (Aunt May, 90% of SHIELD) and I hope they do take the time to build up his return and make it exciting (Bucky).

Odd though, that we have sniper bullets in both Cap and Spider-Man, happening at the same time.... I think Marvel should have re-thought that and made the two incidents less collected.

[XtremeX]

"There was period in comics where characters would just die and then be resurrected. And the death had very little meaning and the resurrection had very little meaning," he said. "All I ask of my writers is if you're going to kill a character off, please let that death have some meaning in the overall scope of things."

-Joe Q

like Captain Marvel's death? :rolleyes:

[BanMan]

But it's fun to see it go bonkers.

The idea that Cap could be taken out by a sniper is hilarious considering the hail of gunfire that he routinely dodges in like EVERY comic book.

Could you imagine all those high powered super villians

Taskmaster "by a sniper?!"

Red Skull "one bullet?!"

What a bunch of noobs. Doesn't take any superpowers, just someone going all lee harvey on him when he isn't looking.

lol

hilarious

Cap took the shot to avoid a U.S. Marshall from getting shot in the back. He was handcuffed and the villians took advantage of his heroic nature. :rolleyes:

[Odie91]

5 years? you have to be kidding, 2008 at the latest he will be back. In fact, I will bet it will on be July (4) 2008.

July 4th, 2007 would be better. It's a Wednesday. ;)

[Innagroove]

Wow, just got outta bed (work nights) and saw the uproar. Called my LCS and they're already out of Cap #25. :eek:

[BanMan]

like Captain Marvel's death? :rolleyes:

I'm pretty sure Joe's also on the record for saying that he would not bring a character back from the dead unless he felt they had a story to tell utilizing that character in the now.

[protonik]

I like how they said about a character's death having a meaning, this is right after they bring Mar-Vell back for no reason.:mad:

Uhhh, dude, Captain Mar-vell's death still happens. It hasn't been retconned, he wasn't brought BACK to life or any such BS.

[Iago27]

It would be like M. Night Shamalan sending out a press release that said, "Hey dumbasses: Willis is one of the dead people" the day The Sixth Sense came out..


Willis was one of the dead people? Thanks for ruining it! Man.:p

[BanMan]

Wow, just got outta bed (work nights) and saw the uproar. Called my LCS and they're already out of Cap #25. :eek:

If anything sounds like Marvel made big bucks in this move. It's too bad people are gonna drop the book next issue regardless of the quality of the story.

[MuteMath]

The next issue is the autopsy issue? Christ, they are milking this thing...

[Ben543250]

I remember when Aunt May died the first time...

LMD!Nope, it was a "genetically modified actress." Y'know, like Halle Berry.

[GATES71]

Good point. The buckets full of money that Marvel is raking in for their publishing line will certainly communicate to Marvel that they need to get rid of their Editor In Chief.

Also, your priorities are well balanced and you seem like a wonderful person with whom to pass the time.

Believe it or not, I can understand what Scorned1 was saying. Personally, my patience is growing thin with Marvel and their whole "let's rip the internet in half" tactics.

My main question is, was there a reason that Steve Rogers had to die, other than getting cheap mainstream press coverage? Were there no more good stories to be told with that version of the character? Brubaker seemed to disprove that.

I say there was no reason other than getting mention on the major news outlets. The story didn't call for it. As a matter of fact, it was probably more detremental to what Brubaker was building than anything else.

This "death" is a cheap stunt, and one that lacks originality in so many ways. Killing off a major character? Done before. Killing of a major corporate icon? DC did it with Superman.

If Cap's "death" was a ruse to get him out of the public eye? Brubaker did that with Foggy Nelson. If Cap is really dead, but set to resurrected at a later time? DC also did that with Superman. Will someone take over for Steve Rogers? That has been done numerous times in Cap alone, let alone the millions of times in other series. That someone replacing him is kinda squirrelly, like the Punisher or Winter Soldier? How about Azrael taking over as Batman.

Like I said, cheap, cheap, cheap. And I think there was loads of missed potential in killing Cap. I think the stories that could have come from the public turning against Cap and Cap being in jail would be better and more original than anything that will come of this.

That's just my opinion. Not that anyone asked.

Bill

[Lex]

Y'know, I really hope Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert make fun of this tonight.

[BanMan]

Y'know, I really hope Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert make fun of this tonight.


You mean this supposed fan backlash?

One thing for sure...if the issue is selling out and getting reorders I'm sure it'll convince Marvel that it was a bad baaaaad move.

[atanamar]

I am speaking my mind to Marvel in the only way I can - I'm not buying this comic, I'm not buying any of the "Initiative" junk, and I'm not picking up any new titles...
Thanks, Civil War.

[tfitz]

That....seems a little extreme. You do know Marvel is just one of MANY companies that publish comic books, right? If you don't like what Marvel's doing, why not support DC, or better yet, Image, Dark Horse, Top Shelf, Oni, Dynamite, :01 First Second, or any of the other companies out there publishing GREAT comics that not nearly enough people are reading?

Seems stupid to me to give up on an entire medium because of one book you don't like....that's like saying "Lost sucks, I'm never going to turn on my TV again."Sorry man. I actually meant Marvel Comics, (I went back and added that) not all other companies. No way am I quitting titles like Lone Ranger (my personal fav. title out today) and JLA. Marvel is the majority of what I buy, but not all. You are totally right. No way would I let Joe Q ruin the entire medium for me.

[mknopp99]

I believe John Cleese said it best:

'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e
rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the
bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!! THIS IS AN EX-CAPTAIN AMERICA!!

[ThomasC22]

Y'know, I really hope Jon Stewart or Stephen Colbert make fun of this tonight.

You can bring Cap back to life, just head over to Wikipedia. Its certainly easier than increasing the population of elephants in Africa.

Livin' in a world of wikiality has its advantages.

[cindercatz]

Blame Joe Quesada all you want, but all he's doing is giving the people what they want. Apparently, the people want HUGE CROSSOVERS and UNIVERSE CHANGING EVENTS.
The people don't buy good stories that are well drawn, but in which no one dies or returns from the dead or changes the course of the marvel universe as we know it.

Don't take my word for it, just look at the sales charts for the last 12 months.

Problem is, giving the people what they want all the time means massive events encompass every title and run back-to-back, meaning there isn't any room left to squeeze good stories in between, or in the margins.

I hate the people.

lol
I feel ya

EDIT: GATES71: Well said.

[Groovie Mann]

capt. americas dead? i'll believe it after a few years. until then, whatever.

[vitruvian23]

Comments from Ms. Marvel in this week’s Civil War: The Initiative, which seemed to indicate that Captain America is still alive, and being held prisoner by the Pro-Registration forces may not have been exactly what they seemed on the surface, and events related to those comments will play out in upcoming issues of New Avengers.

Of course, what this really seems to mean is that Marvel's editors couldn't even keep all their writers on message *during the same week of publication*.

What are the alternatives? Either Ms. Marvel is mistaken about Rogers being alive (which would mean she's not as high in the confidence of TPTB as she thinks, if she believes this theory), or she's outright lying to Arachne. Neither option puts Carol in a very good light, or as anything close to 'the best of the best', now does it?

[Doctor_Chronos]

I'm not buying it. Captain America, Steve Rogers, is not dead. That statement is just PR (aka a lie) to further push the current hype and keep people buying the books to see what happens next. Not sure how long it will take but Steve Rogers will be back eventually. Maybe a year or so is my guess.

Edit:
By I'm not buying it, I mean I don't believe that statement. Since I mail order my comics, I've already purchased the issue months ago.

[Stalzer2002]

This was a great story when it was done the first time... in the Superman comics.

So does "Reign of the Captain America's" start up after "Funeral for a Friend?"

http://www.marvel.com/universe3zx/images/thumb/1/1d/Winter_soldier.jpg/442px-Winter_soldier.jpg

http://pds.egloos.com/pds/1/200505/13/40/b0034440_21262031.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/marvel_terror/punisher/punisher050.jpg

http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/P/0785122990.01._SS500_SCLZZZZZZZ_V4636457 3_.jpg

Hmm....

[Dave Phelps]

I particularly like that he wasn't snuffed out by Baron Zemo or some cosmic menace, but by a sniper's bullet.

Ummm... you might want to read the book...

[investcomics]

<a href="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CapAmerica/DDream/CWFSWOLV01_dc2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CapAmerica/DDream/CWFSWOLV01_dc2_t.jpg" border="0" align="right" hspace=5></a>Asked for comment by Newsarama about the apparent death of Captain America in this week’s <b>Captain America #25</b>, the publisher issued the following statement which reinforced the hero’s current status, as well as revealed for the first time the full title of <b>Fallen Son</b>:

<blockquote>"Captain America will continue to be published despite the very real death of Steve Rogers.

Next week, <b>Civil War: The Confession</b> features the final moments of his life.

In April & May, <b>Fallen Son: Death of Captain America</b> will follow the Marvel Universe’s reaction to this tragedy.</blockquote><a href="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CapAmerica/DDream/CWFSWOLV01_dc22.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/CapAmerica/DDream/CWFSWOLV01_dc22_t.jpg" border="0" hspace=5 align="left"></a><blockquote>Also in May, <b>Captain America #26</b> is where the aftermath of his death must be faced, beginning with the autopsy of his body.

Comments from Ms. Marvel in this week’s <b>Civil War: The Initiative</b>, which seemed to indicate that Captain America is still alive, and being held prisoner by the Pro-Registration forces may not have been exactly what they seemed on the surface, and events related to those comments will play out in upcoming issues of <b>New Avengers</b>.

So, yes, Captain America, Steve Rogers, is dead."</blocquote>

<i>Newsarama Note: Look for follow-ups on the events of <b>Captain America #25</b> through the remainder of this week.</i>

Joe Q,

I have to say, you've really done it this time. But who cares? You killed Steve Rogers. I commend you for taking the risk of killing a top tier character. Good for you! The only way you can really really REALLY screw this up is if you bring Steve back. You can bring CAP back (as someone else) but DO NOT BRING STEVE BACK!! PLEASE LET HIM R.I.P.!!!!

[Salieri]

This is great. Really, really great. Marvel has finally done what I've been praying for them to do for years.

Now, maybe DC will take the hint and get rid of Superman...

And, I'd like to see 'The Confession'. Maybe it'll be all like, 'Bucky...I hid the Treasure...*wheeze*...'

'Ah, goddamnit. Another cop-out plot twist.'

[olly-mac]

Where was I? Working on a clone replicate of Steve Rogers. No, really, I was in Britain, where we receive our comics on a Thursday. So, please America, quit complaining. At least some/most of you learnt when you got the comic. Yes, death in comics is never permanent, and neither is deep rooted changes, but a good story is a good story. Let's keep it in perspective. Re: people were quick to moan about thereturn of Bucky, and that went well.

[cookiejar]

I have it on good authority that Howard T. Duck will be picking up the mantle of Captain America.

[Teambrian]

5 years? you have to be kidding, 2008 at the latest he will be back. In fact, I will bet it will on be July (4) 2008.

July 4th, 2007 is a Wednesday...four months too soon to bring him back?

[KWillyVox]

After all that, he get's killed by gunfire in handcuffs?

What a punk way to kill a freaking legend.

Marvel keeps finding ways to push me off as a reader.

AMEN BROTHER! Cap had Tony at his mercy, gave up, then took a bullet from a sniper...absolute horse #$%.

[SI55LE]

Where was I when Captain America died? I was glancing over the headlines of CNN and was spoiled. That's where I was. Where were you?

the frontpage of yahoo.com

[SuperBil]

Too bad that I probably won't be around to read it.

I don't want to read about somebody else trying to be Cap.I've bought this book for 3 decades because of Steve Rogers,Man of the 40's and greatest hero of WWII,in modern times.

What the ____?Is this DC,where all that matters is the costume?

I thought at Marvel,the person behind the mask was what was important?

I'm giving Marvel 6 months and if Steve isn't alive and on his way back to being Cap then I'm ____ing done with new comics.

I still have plenty of holes in my collection and there will always be archives to buy but this is just about the last ____ing straw for me.

The last few years at Marvel have been pretty exciting but it ain't the ____ I want to read anymore.I'm SICK of reading about my heroess being tore down and destroyed for stupid ass shock value stories.
Doesn't anyone at Marvel have a clue how to write heroic individuals triumphing over evil and beating the odds?

This just sucks ass.:mad: :mad:



(PS:No,I am not going to start an internet hate group but for TODAY,I am ____in' "Internet-Pissed"!)



Man, I totally agree with you. What the #@$% is happening to comic books? I don't want my comics to be a scathing commentary on the political and social mores of the day. Comic books are supposed to be FUN!!!! Hello, the Marvel Universe is not the REAL WORLD! It doesn't need to be portrayed as totally realistic. If it was the "real world", grown men and women wouldn't be running around in spandex with super powers. In the "real world" radioactive spider bites would make you sick, atomic explosions would incinerate you, and radioactive waste being dumped into your eyes would probably give you brain cancer. If I want to be depressed about the state of the world, I'll watch the freaking news. Reading comic books used to make me feel good and positive, now they are just dreary and depressing.

This new crop of "talent" seems to have totally missed the whole point of what they are doing. I assume they read the same comics that I did growing up, and that they liked them so much they wanted to make it their career. So, why is their first instinct to trash everything that they supposedly loved? It really makes no sense, and furthermore, it was totally unnecessary. The Marvel U didn't need "fixing". It is quite arrogant of these people to come in on the heels of legendary creators like Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, Chris Claremont, John Byrne, Frank Miller, etc., etc. and destroy the wonderful universe that they created. If seems like a bunch of self serving ego-maniacs have seized control of Marvel and are determined to bury it.

The other day I was telling a friend of mine, who is also a long time comic collector, that Marvel has finally just turned me off. He tried to change my mind by asking why I would want everything to just stay the same, and wouldn't that be boring. My answer was "No, I liked Marvel the way it was". The Marvel U has been the same for like forty-five years and has been quite successful. I told him it's like chocolate. I've liked chocolate since I was a kid and I still do, but if chocolate suddenly tasted like chopped liver, I wouldn't like it anymore either. I'm sure this is mostly going to fall on deaf ears, since it seems most people will force themselves to like whatever they are told to by whoever is holding the reins.

[jmyoung]

I wonder when Peter Parker is going to get the letter saying that Captain America is alive and well living in the year 1602 and he needs to get Back to the Future!

Oh that would be so awesome if this tied into the original 1602 storyline.

[StripedTiger]

Ummm... you might want to read the book...

Exactly. People really need to read the book before commenting on HOW he died. There's more going on that you dont see until the end of the book...

[BanMan]

Exactly. People really need to read the book before commenting on HOW he died. There's more going on that you dont see until the end of the book...

And you'd have an even BETTER understanding if you bought the last few issues.;)

[BanMan]

I'm sure this is mostly going to fall on deaf ears, since it seems most people will force themselves to like whatever they are told to by whoever is holding the reins.

Really, I think people are hardly forcing themselves to like what they don't. If they like it they like it. It's just a matter of different tastes.

[1603]

I hope in some Marvel comic, somewhere, we get to see the words "You killed Captain America" spoken to Tony Stark. Maybe somewhere around where we see someone say "You killed Aunt May."

.


What a tenuous link!

Is this six degrees of Tony Stark, murder edition?

Or am I missing something, and Tony was the sniper?

Because otherwise, he had no responsibility for Cap's death.

[ThomasC22]

The other day I was telling a friend of mine, who is also a long time comic collector, that Marvel has finally just turned me off. He tried to change my mind by asking why I would want everything to just stay the same, and wouldn't that be boring. My answer was "No, I liked Marvel the way it was". The Marvel U has been the same for like forty-five years and has been quite successful. I told him it's like chocolate. I've liked chocolate since I was a kid and I still do, but if chocolate suddenly tasted like chopped liver, I wouldn't like it anymore either. I'm sure this is mostly going to fall on deaf ears, since it seems most people will force themselves to like whatever they are told to by whoever is holding the reins.

How has the Marvel Universe been the same for the last 45 years? Paticularly with Cap a guy who has both been killed and given up his identity several times before. Spider-Man being unmasked is something Michelinie planned to do nearly a decade ago (he planned to retcon it eventually but I'm fairly sure this current remask will also be retconned). Marvel heroes have been at each other's throats on various occasions too (Cap and Iron Man were basically enemies during Armor Wars).

I'm not a huge fan of today's Marvel but this whole "things have always been the same and now they're not" logic just doesn't hold up.

[khuxford]

July 4th, 2007 would be better. It's a Wednesday. ;)

Yeah...but that probably means that Monday will have been a national holiday in observance of July 4th, meaning comics will be delivered on Thursday. :p

[worldsfinest]

Scarlet Witch .............reality altering.....

anyhow, I guess I don't buy a Captain America title if he's dead.

[worldsfinest]

Scarlet Witch .............reality altering.....

anyhow, I guess I don't buy a Captain America title if he's dead.

[Doc Beechler]

So...when Tony reveals a clone Cap...can we all call him The Clap?:D

[Dman]

you know what bothers me about this whole thing (well one of the things) is what DC is going to do to counter all this media attention, will they counter with another death or something else?

[Ravengregory]

movie comes out next year. He'll be back before then.

[DaVeO]

you know what bothers me about this whole thing (well one of the things) is what DC is going to do to counter all this media attention, will they counter with another death or something else?

Pshaw, DC has a death every few months. This is nothing.

[shadowpdf]

:mad: It's useless, now. Just useless. Marvel, as one responder says, keeps finding ways to make me turn away from Marvel's books. I can't tell you the last time I thought a Marvel book was interesting ... well, Daredevil. But the rest of it? Phaw!! It's all posturing, point making, talking heads. I'm so tired of it. I know many don't like DC (and both companies have their flaws), but I am quite happily a DC reader where things are at least dynamic.

O! Stan! Where Art Thou?!

[hollandjwm]

Now officially the most overused and ridiculous concept in comics. Everyone knows that no one dies in comics. Look how many have died in the past few years, only to immediately be brought back (in one form or another). Blue Beetle, Booster Gold, Hawkeye, now Cap. How many times have Professor Xavier and Magneto died? The Green Goblin? The Joker? Superman? Do we doubt the returns of Elongated Man's wife or of Superboy? Writers have become so lazy and unimaginative. You see, a story has no emotional weight whatsoever if you know that the ending is going to be negated in a few weeks or months. Imagine if movies did this same stupid mess, killing off characters to bring them back with a new movie. And no, horror films don't count. I mean, really? Does anyone think Aunt May will die? Didn't she die a hundred or so issues ago in ASM? Man, comics are becoming such pathetic shadows of their former selves. Hopefully one day I'll be able to swoop in with several like-minded individuals to fix all of the things that Marvel and Dc have done to drain all of the life out of comic collecting.
BOOO on them!

[Dman]

Pshaw, DC has a death every few months. This is nothing.


then perhaps a costume change? Batman: Black and Batman: Grey

[The Funketeer]

I understand why they pitch this stuff to the media but why do they try to pretend like we believe they've actually killed Steve Rogers?

My prediction is that Fury and Bucky orchestrated the whole thing to fake the death and put Cap back in action after he's moped around for a while. Public sentiment will sway back to the pro reg side and the superhuman registration act will be repealed. Bucky/Winter Soldier is a sniper and capable of making the shot and Fury brought him back into the fold in the last issue of Cap. They probably hit him with something that slows down his heartbeat or replaced his body with that of a homeless guy Fury accidentally backed over with his helicarrier one night. Maybe Cap really is Ronin and faked that horrible street lingo to cover his tracks even more.

[cookiejar]

So...when Tony reveals a clone Cap...can we all call him The Clap?:D

dude... this may be the funniest way of including a V.D. in a post ever.... EVER!

[paulski]

It doesn't say much for the state of things when half the posters here don't believe he's dead or expect him back before the end of the year, and the other half are swearing off Marvel as a result of this stunt. :(

Me? I don't like it myself - and can't stand all this Civil War crap - but will continue to read the half dozen books I currently do.

[murgod]

Jeezus...five pages of notes and only one person mentions "Ronin"...come on, people...let's think this through...

David M.

[Grimm22]

Cap will be back in at LEAST 2 years

The big question is, how?

My guess is the cosmic cube

[Ken B.]

Again, Brevoort is editing both books, yet something like what was said in the Initiative (which was a good read, btw), completely screws up what was done in CA #25. Come on, check the books, especially if you are the editor on both of them. This is something Marvel had to have known would be a sticking point, yet it seems they did nothing to correct it.

[DLTActor130]

[QUOTE=SuperBil]Man, I totally agree with you. What the #@$% is happening to comic books? I don't want my comics to be a scathing commentary on the political and social mores of the day. Comic books are supposed to be FUN!!!! Hello, the Marvel Universe is not the REAL WORLD! It doesn't need to be portrayed as totally realistic. If it was the "real world", grown men and women wouldn't be running around in spandex with super powers. In the "real world" radioactive spider bites would make you sick, atomic explosions would incinerate you, and radioactive waste being dumped into your eyes would probably give you brain cancer. If I want to be depressed about the state of the world, I'll watch the freaking news. Reading comic books used to make me feel good and positive, now they are just dreary and depressing.


------ It's called a metaphor. If you feel so strongly about all of it.....go read DC. They publish plenty of crappy comics with no substance. :)

[SpyGuy]

Upcoming scene from CIVIL WAR: THE CONFESSION...


Howard the Duck is on his deathbed, talking to the Winter Soldier.

"There is...a...noth...er...Steve...Rog...ers.. ." gasps Howard, passing away and slowly vanishing into the ether.

[paulski]

------ It's called a metaphor. If you feel so strongly about all of it.....go read DC. They publish plenty of crappy comics with no substance. :)
Feel free to leave your cheerleading in the Marvel forum.

[CATMAN3]

The Red Skull will bring Cap(Steve Rogers) back to live via The Cosmic Cube than say something like"When Captain America is to finally die it will be by my hands only".

[SuperBil]

How has the Marvel Universe been the same for the last 45 years? Paticularly with Cap a guy who has both been killed and given up his identity several times before. Spider-Man being unmasked is something Michelinie planned to do nearly a decade ago (he planned to retcon it eventually but I'm fairly sure this current remask will also be retconned). Marvel heroes have been at each other's throats on various occasions too (Cap and Iron Man were basically enemies during Armor Wars).

I'm not a huge fan of today's Marvel but this whole "things have always been the same and now they're not" logic just doesn't hold up.


I meant the same, in that it had the same "feel" to it. Which is to say that all the books seemed to reside in one universe and that there was editorial consistency. For example, the Fantastic Four of the 1990's still felt like they were the same characters from the 60's, 70's and 80's even though they had been updated. Now, to me, they seem like totally different people, and the whole Marvel Universe seems a more negative and darker place.

[Vintage]

I posted this elsewhere but I'll share it here. I was up in arms myself earlier when I caught the news on Yahoo, but after reading the book I have to say Brubaker does this tastefully and with a lot of emotion, without any corniness. I can't recall another death in comics aside from Aunt May's in Amazing 400(who clearly got better) that was as moving as this one here. I can't imagine why one would consider a sniper shooting a "punk" death but if it eases anyone's mind, the sniper caught him because he was trying to save a marshall, before taking another couple of rounds by a second shooter. That being said, we don't see him die on panel(first out) and Ms. Marvel intimates he's still around(second out). There are not many who could have written this and made it work but Brubaker does it masterfully. It works within the context of what happened in CW, and its ramifications will likely be felt throughout the line. I hated having the story spilled on Yahoo, but considering how news spreads in the comic world, Marvel showed quite a bit of restraint in keeping this so tightly under wraps until today. Cap will rise again I'm sure and I'm willing to see what happens next.

[Supermutant]

If marvel doesn't bring back sometime by the end summer they will lose fans. If they take till next year or 2 or 5 years there won't be a marvel around for him to come back too.

[MattBrady]

If marvel doesn't bring back sometime by the end summer they will lose fans. If they take till next year or 2 or 5 years there won't be a marvel around for him to come back too.mmm...yes, because if history teaches us anything about Marvel, especially in the last few years, Captain America alone is keeping the entire company afloat. :)

MattB

[ANGELDOGGIE]

Always hated your drug induced moralism, your 'make-mine-machismo', your childish heroism, your ugly logo and the fact that you never had a moustache.
Now tell us all how you REALLY feel......fanboy.:mad: :mad:

[Supermutant]

You know that's not what I meant. I mean the fact that things like this is just a long line of bad things turning fans off from marvel. I'm starting to be one and I have tried and tried. The way they are going they will screw up World War Hulk. What's next they kill him off after WWH is over with? I'm embarrsed as a fan today by this. I have a feeling Joe q is going to be death of marvel because things like this.

[ajspang]

Where was I when Captain America died? I was glancing over the headlines of CNN and was spoiled. That's where I was. Where were you?

Listening to Fox News in the background. When I heard the words "Captain America" my ears naturally plucked up. Bastards....Couldn't they have at least waited until 7 or 8 pm when most of the world had their books already?:mad:

[Hurnslice]

You really think that humiliating and killing off Captain America will bring Marvel cash? What plane of reality are you on boy?

It's sold out of three comic shops near me. Completely sold out. I don't think it was given away, either.

[FIG]

Captain America is not dead, he pulled an elaborate fake death Jack Bauer style. Hes probably vacationing in the Bahamas for a few months in a witness relocation program until some Marvel writer decides to bring him back. All this was planned months ahead of time. Plus I also want to see Tony Stark get his ass kicked and thrown in a Russian prison somewhere never to be found again.

[egads]

I think, personally it's a hoax. First of all, isn't Captain America's armor bullet proof? When most controversial figures get escorted to court wouldn't they be brought in through the back door, and usually wearing a bullet proof vest? I think Captain America has become what Batman became in the Dark Knight Returns, too big. Captain America needed to disappear from the public eye for awhile, and I believe he will do so behind an armor made out of iron. It's no longer the invincible Iron Man, but rather Steve Rogers, Iron Man.

[Gregx]

I just have to say that it is very, very clear that the majority of the people posting here did not read the issue. Especially those complaining about him being "Taken out by a sniper."

[NedPepper]

I honestly don't even want to go through all the posts and arguments on this. The "don't worry, no one stays dead in comics" versus those who take issue with this story, to those who never liked Cap to begin with.

All I will say is this: I imagine when the word MARVEL COMICS is brought up, a character pops in your mind. Either your favorite character or the character you feel most captures the fictional universe you spend each week in. I imagine that Spider-Man pops in to a lot of heads. Wolverine. The Thing.

Mine has always been Cap. And with the cynical Civil War leaving a bad taste in my mouth, I thought, well, let's at least see where they're going. Well, I don't want to see where they're going anymore. It's not a childish knee-jerk reaction. It's a bitter place that has become nothing more than a politcal allegory.

Marvel went to great lengths to make us believe that Captain America was an outdated super hero. They went so far in that direction, they left a cloud over his character, and my hope was that Ed Brubaker would reinvigorate him. But why reinvigorate a "dated" character? So, they killed him. It got them what they wanted. An American Icon killed during wartime certainly will draw the attention of the media. So, now we have a universe full of heroes who have not only passed into to the gray area, but in some cases, have actually become just as nihilistic as Frank Castle's always been. I'm not sure who is supposed to represent our "new generation." Tony Stark? Please. I'm not drinking that kool-aid.

Cap may come back and all will forgotten. I hope so. And I hope the Marvel Universe is a much more fun place to hang out when he comes back. Because I hate this Brave New World crap and the only thought I had was that as long as Cap is around, Tony Stark will eventually get his.

And sorry. Luke Cage fighting for the resistance doesn't quite have the same iconic impact.

Am I giving up Marvel comics forever? No. But I am taking a break from ALL of the line, if only just to show Joe and the other editors that my opinion does count. With the only thing they really care about. My money. The very little amount of it I have.

After all, I did it before and a guy named Harras got fired. I was stoked as hell that Joe Quesada was taking over. And now we're swinging back around the other side of the circle.

[astronato]

Congrats to Marvel on some mainstream buzz. I work in the corporate world and this was on the radar of co-workers I know who don't read comics (but know I do). So good show.

I'm not going to go all fanboy that Cap is "dead". Because its Brubaker, and I trust him to do this right. And it's Marvel not DC's legacy factory.

So bring it on. His funeral better be grand and his return better be clever!. And hopefully this isn't a long drawn out thing. If it goes longer that 6 or 7 issues without Steves return, I might start to get pissy.;)

Until then I'll just wait and see and hope it's good. It's gotta be. It is Brubaker after all.

[ajspang]

O! Stan! Where Art Thou?!

Writing a crappy back up story in FF 543.

[Hurnslice]

I'm sure he'll be back before long....maybe not as Steve Rogers, but still as Captain America looking just about the same. This is just a shallow marketing move that will of course generate big publicity and sales because that's what the average reader likes. I can't blame Marvel for doing it, but artistically, it is a very cowardly and lazy move.

I've never heard art characterized as "cowardly" before. It doesn't make sense.

And lazy is way overused. It's now officially lazy to use lazy.

[BlackCatGuy]

Captain America, Steve Rogers, is dead.
ANGELDOGGIE is not going to like this. Nope.

NOT.
ONE.
BIT.

:(

[pez dispenser]

They can take this statement and shove it up where the sun don't shine. I don't care about anything about Marvel anymore. Marvel comics is dead to me.

It is time for Quesada to go.


Dude...unclench.
Seriously.

[Beheader]

It's sold out of three comic shops near me. Completely sold out. I don't think it was given away, either.

Well, of course it was sold out everywhere. Until this morning, Captain America was just a regular Marvel comic, that was going to get a sales bump from being involved with Civil War and another for being issue #25. CA #24 sold an estimate 79,885 and came in 21st for November. Point is supply had no chance of meeting demand when the news hit.

This wasn't the marketing blitz that was Superman's death. This is more of a collector's thing. You got this comic, bag it and board it quickly. Maybe (and this is a slim chance maybe) Marvel will keep Rogers dead. Of course, you'd had a better chance of hitting last night's Mega Millions, than Marvel keeping him dead. They've raised more dead than a George A. Romero movie in the past few years. And don't give me the "He's from another timeline" or "she was a clone" nonsense. Dead means dead and alive means alive. If they were dead then and alive now, they were brought back from the dead, period.

Captain America's death was kept quiet for the fans and collectors, his return will be widely announced for their marketing blitz.

[IronWolf]

and i gotta but marvel again 'cos this is insanely good looking. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! Why cap. now i know how Hawkeye fans feel, well Cap maybe got a little bit of a coller death Maybe but i have to read this issue. Man i'm actully sad..i'm geek yah but...thats actully sad to me.

[pez dispenser]

You really think that humiliating and killing off Captain America will bring Marvel cash? What plane of reality are you on boy?

The same plane you're on.
Wait for the numbers to show up a month or two down the line.

We'll talk to you then.

[pez dispenser]

The plane of reality where the killing and humiliating of Superman brought DC cash.

Bingo.
A boatload of cash, if I remember correctly.

[HankChinaski]

You know...and I came out as one of the strongest opponents to the ending of Civil War...but this just makes sense. Don't get me wrong. I loved Cap. There are scenes in this issue that Brubaker wrote so well that they brought tears to my eyes. I think the thing that many of us lost track of and that issue resolves as far as the issue of Captain America is that is he more than just a flag, an American, but he is an ideal. And that ideal goes far beyond his own personal wants and drives. It strikes at the core of what is right in all things.

Getting back to this issue though, it was clear that there were things put in place that this was the logical progression of the story. And the beauty of it is is I never felt once like someone did this for a cheap thrill or shock value. This is a powerful ending to an already powerful story that had so many of us talking more about the medium we love than much of what has come before over the last 10 years. While it breaks my heart to see Cap go (and I'm sure Steve or some Captain America will return soon), it is, in the end, a great story.

Hank

[Fletcher]

Well, I still don't believe that Steve Rogers is dead or will stay dead, not with a movie coming out, but this could be interesting if done right. You don't need Steve Rogers to have a Captain America. However, that being said Marvel did try and do that same thing many moons ago when Steve Rogers became ( my mind draws a blank someone help me out here, was it Agent something?)...Anyhoo....the point is is that did not work. So I guess I am back at my same opinon. No one is dead. However, I hope he stays dead long enough so I can sell my issues on Ebay for a little profit.

[eleanorepona]

So, let me see, in the aftermath of Civil War, the moral values the MU stood for (silly little things like personal freedom, not cloning people without permission) are no longer the values of the MU. That wasn't enough for them, now they have killed their moral compass?

I have been depressed by the ending of CW all week. This only makes it worse. I beleive the funeral will not be what it should be, they will throw "the disgrace" in the hole with Bill Foster.

I can't imagine that they needed to pimp this "event" like this, along with the big press release on the Initiative, if the sales were as good as they hoped. I had no plans to buy a lot of the Initiative series, I didn't read Iron Man, Spiderman or FF before CW and won't now, I don't want to read about how Reed gets Sue back, and I'm about ready to report Ms Marvel to Concerned Women for America. If I wanted to read about totalitarian power grabs by an increasingly incompetent government, I'd read the Washington Post.

For those of you who think it's much more "interesting," please have fun. To me it's interesting like an autopsy is interesting. I have no desire to watch it live.

[BeastCharming]

Listening to Fox News in the background. When I heard the words "Captain America" my ears naturally plucked up. Bastards....Couldn't they have at least waited until 7 or 8 pm when most of the world had their books already?:mad:

"Most of the world" being "most of America" then? Europe doesn't get the books until Thursdays (if we're lucky, I usually go get mine on Friday, so...)

[mpg]

man, if i hadnt already quit buying comics....

[wjclark01]

First off, everyone who is on their "Hate Marvel" high-horse is jaded. And the "I'm all about DC" fans need to remember DC is the same as Marvel when it comes to marketing - ummmm - "The Death Of Superman" ring any bells? How about the breaking of Batman's back by Bane and then Knightquest which took what, three years?

I'm a comic fan - if it's good, cool. If not, then shelve it and get on to the next deal. I don't care if it's DC, Marvel, Image, Top Cow, whatever. Is this a marketing ploy by Marvel? Of course it is, but let's be honest - it's a good one.

Besides, Steve Rogers has given up the mantle and there have been other Captain Americas. What Marvel has gone to great lenghts to prove is that Steve Rogers is the one true Captain America, so if you kill Steve Rogers, does the dream truly die?

If done right, it poses an interesting theory - is the symbol greater than the man? And can the man who created the legend of the symbol simply be replaced?

I guess we'll find out.

BTW - I've got Steve returning in about a year....lol. Cosmic Cube, Magic, whatever. He'll be back...

[exredleg]

I'm sorry ... the whole Civil War thing turned me off from the very beginning. This takes the cake (pardon the cliche). I bought precious few Marvels after Joey Q took the reigns ... now I'll buy "precious fewer" ... if any.

This whole thing reeks ... but then again, it's selling like crazy. I don't think Marvel is going to miss my money (they'll still get it on their Masterworks and some of their Essentials).

[Vintage]

You know...and I came out as one of the strongest opponents to the ending of Civil War...but this just makes sense. Don't get me wrong. I loved Cap. There are scenes in this issue that Brubaker wrote so well that they brought tears to my eyes. I think the thing that many of us lost track of and that issue resolves as far as the issue of Captain America is that is he more than just a flag, an American, but he is an ideal. And that ideal goes far beyond his own personal wants and drives. It strikes at the core of what is right in all things.

Getting back to this issue though, it was clear that there were things put in place that this was the logical progression of the story. And the beauty of it is is I never felt once like someone did this for a cheap thrill or shock value. This is a powerful ending to an already powerful story that had so many of us talking more about the medium we love than much of what has come before over the last 10 years. While it breaks my heart to see Cap go (and I'm sure Steve or some Captain America will return soon), it is, in the end, a great story.

Hank
This is exactly how I feel. I understand the reaction, but reading the book itself you come away with a great respect for who Cap is, the ideal he represents, and with all that's been bubbling about in his book as well as in CW, it becomes very clear why he would become a target. The idea of it bothers me but its effectiveness on the page is quite compelling. RIP Cap...until you come back, that is.

[zorn]

I'm not sure if this has been pointed out, but it's a question that people should be asking: Why has Cap's death caused so much "mainstream" attention? How does the press know that this death is more real when so many other heroes have fallen and returned in comics. How do members of the press, a majority of whom likely don't read comics that frequently- or at all- so suddenly catch wind of this event and decide to quickly publish it. Exactly what criteria did they go over when they decided to give this story so much coverage.

[SuperturboZ]

My guess is he will be back within 1-2 years

In other words he will be back when sales to Captain America drop to the point where they have to do something to increase sales or the movie comes out. Which ever is first.

[Lukecash]

First off, everyone who is on their "Hate Marvel" high-horse is jaded. And the "I'm all about DC" fans need to remember DC is the same as Marvel when it comes to marketing - ummmm - "The Death Of Superman" ring any bells? How about the breaking of Batman's back by Bane and then Knightquest which took what, three years?

Each storyline took about a year. Knightfall lasted a bit longer because DC wanted Bruce in Zero Hour...at that point of the story, Dick Grayson would have been Batman. Denny O'neil admits that it was a mistake to lengthen nightfall to do that.

I'm a comic fan - if it's good, cool. If not, then shelve it and get on to the next deal. I don't care if it's DC, Marvel, Image, Top Cow, whatever. Is this a marketing ploy by Marvel? Of course it is, but let's be honest - it's a good one.

I agree, a good story is a good stoy: The Death of Superman was epic and even Knightfall was great. This could be a fun story to read in trades.

Besides, Steve Rogers has given up the mantle and there have been other Captain Americas. What Marvel has gone to great lenghts to prove is that Steve Rogers is the one true Captain America, so if you kill Steve Rogers, does the dream truly die?

If done right, it poses an interesting theory - is the symbol greater than the man? And can the man who created the legend of the symbol simply be replaced?

I guess we'll find out.


Superman was an honest evaluation of what he ment to DC and its readers. Batman story was the point of showing that "Image-izing" a character wasn't the actual character!

BTW - I've got Steve returning in about a year....lol. Cosmic Cube, Magic, whatever. He'll be back...

Marv Wolfman had an "exit" for Barry Allen and so did Ron Marz for Hal Jordan. Wally and Kyle got a lot of fan intrest. Hal came back because of the love for the character.

It would be intresting if Marvel doesn't use the back door for Steve Rogers.
But most comic readers know that dead is never dead, when there is a writer to use him

[justice~!]

I'm not sure if this has been pointed out, but it's a question that people should be asking: Why has Cap's death caused so much "mainstream" attention? How does the press know that this death is more real when so many other heroes have fallen and returned in comics. How do members of the press, a majority of whom likely don't read comics that frequently- or at all- so suddenly catch wind of this event and decide to quickly publish it. Exactly what criteria did they go over when they decided to give this story so much coverage.

Most companies have contacts in PR that they use to float stories of this nature - whether people bite on them or not is up to them. I mean, Quesada had a taped interview with CNN! That's a situation where Marvel went out of their way to tell the media; same thing with Spider-Man.

[astronato]

Exactly what criteria did they go over when they decided to give this story so much coverage.

I'm guessing it's just apropos to the moment. If it were peace time or an economic boom time it might not have gotten as much attention.


My guess is he will be back within 1-2 years

In other words he will be back when sales to Captain America drop to the point where they have to do something to increase sales or the movie comes out. Which ever is first.

Jeez, I hope it doesn't last two years. A year is pushing it I think.

[SuperBil]

------ It's called a metaphor. If you feel so strongly about all of it.....go read DC. They publish plenty of crappy comics with no substance. :)[/QUOTE]


The only problem with your suggestion is that DC is just as bad, Identity Crisis, The Death of Blue Beetle, etc.

[ANGELDOGGIE]

Clearly there is more to this than meets the eyes.....clearly more story. This one is going somewhere. I am a looooooooooooooong time Captain America fan, been one since the early seventies, and I simply do not believe He is gone, as Steve Rogers I mean. As heroic as it was, taking a bullet so a Federal Marshall would'nt get it, I still don't believe it. The fact that the band of villains behind this "hit" knew He would act on his heroic stance,and the fact that his hypnotized ally was also involved, doesn't sway me. Nope. Not when the man himself, Nick Fury, is involved. Go back and give this issue another read folks. This is a startlingly good story, and it is going to get better.......much, much, better. Ed Brubaker will NOT let any of us down!! And it can only be told along with the excellent Steve Epting's artwork!! (great job Steve, by the way.) Let's not cash in all the chips here, like I said there is more to tell here. Much more.

[Prometheus3]

I'm impressed that Marvel went through with this and will buy Captain America #25 and Captain America #26 and I have never bought a Captain America comic before. But where can Marvel go from here? We all know that Steve Rogers will be back soon and the death seems pointless except for shock value or trying to bring in a new Captain America. Unless Steve Rogers faked his death but that doesn't look like the case.

Is this the big Captain America news Joe Queseda and Tom Brevoort talked about that would make Spider-Man revealing his identity to the world seem like nothing? Is this the best they can do?

Even if it is a great story, this brings up the big story vs. continuity debate again. One great story vs. screwing over all the future Captain America writers who won't be able to use Steve Rogers unless he is resurrected.

[McMonkey Nut]

Don't know if this has been mentioned yetr because I don't feel like reading through all the pages posted, but maybe this is the first step in Marvel trying to establish "Legacy Characters"?

I mean if anyone deserves to carry on the legacy of Captain America, it's Bucky Barnes. While this may not have been Brubakers intent from the beginning of his run, I trust that he can craft a wonderful story around this idea, and that the quality of the Captain America ongoing comic will not go down in anyway, unless Bru stops writing it that is?

[Scratchy]

Who cares?? So Steve Rogers may be "dead", he'll be back alive in a few months and Captain America is ongoing. Who the Hell cares?

On the other hand, all but Sasquatch from Alpha Flight was murdered by a Milkman. Yup, Puck is dead. Shaman is dead. Guardian is dead. Vindicator is dead. Zuzha is dead. Major Maple Leaf is dead. Wild Child is depowered. Aurora and Northstar are nowhere. Box is nowhere. Diamond Lil is nowhere. Everyone eslse is depowered and nowhere. Alpha Flight is NOT an ongoing. Omega Flight may not be good and in any event it's NOT an ongoing.

Think ANYONE from Alpha Flight will return from the dead soon? Think Omega Flight will survive with this lineup:

As CANADA'S #1 Hero, their heroic leader,.... CANADA'S US Agent.

As Canada's leading lady, a hero without compare, loved by Canada's citizens,.... Arachne.

The most powerful member of Canada's defenders, the one to call on to protect the citizens of the North, Canada's dependable hero.... Beta Ray Bill.

Plus, in issue #3, wearing the uniform of Canada's hero, Canada's flag bearer... Alaskan Milksop.

And Sasquatch and Talisman will hang around to answer the phone.

The joke had better be done already, or else Oeming will have a dead weight selling 200 copies on his resume.

So Quesada, willing to lose 10% of your overall sales if OF sucks as bad as you're making it look??

[chazkrauss]

Remember when Marvel was kind of sucking in the mid-1990s? When the X-Men were in every comic, the F.F. was on life support, and the Avengers were wearing leather jackets? Remember when Iron Man turned evil and a young Tony Stark came back to take old Tony's place? Remember the clone saga? After a while, Marvel did the Heroes Reborn thing to purge this situation and this allowed them to do Heroes Reborn, which placed the heroes back into a good, positive role within the Marvel Universe. How long before this situation replays itself?

Here's what's going to happen: registration will eventually be overturned because the heroes will perform spectacularly in a global or universal crisis. The heroes will come back with their sparkle and luster and all will be well. Steve will also be back - there is no way this death will stay permanent. The thing is that I'll be staying away from Marvel comics until this situation occurs as a form of protest. The only titles I'll be reading from Marvel will be their Marvel Adventures comics, Uncanny X-Men, Iron Fist, and, ironically, Captain America. Bru is a great story-teller and I think the comic will continue to rock for awhile even with Steve's temporary absence.

[ME5]

Hello.

Just a few points:

1--Cap will be back within 2 issues.

2--Steve Rogers will be back within 3 years, at the latest.

3--I trust Brubaker to make this far more interesting and intriguing than many suspect.

4--Marvel has not destroyed Cap or Steve. It is a story! RELAX! Yeesh. The amount of drama some people need to make their lives meaningful is insane on this site.

Be Well...:)

[rgfrost]

Steve Rogers lives on in the Ultimate universe.

So, how will Steve return?

1) A giant crossover event with the Ultimate universe leaves their Steve Rogers in the 616 universe?

2) Tony goes back in time and digs Steve out of the ice before the Avengers found him - retconning Cap out of the Avengers and undoing the Civil War before it started?

3) LMD?

4) It wasn't Steve - it was Ironfist?

[cyberv]

Joe. Just give it up. NO ONE ON THIS PLANET believes that Cap is gonna stay dead.

Didn't believe it when Superman died. Didn't believe it when Reed Richards and Dr. Doom died. Didn't believe it when Wolverine died.

Don't believe it now, either. Just give it up and tell us when he's coming back. Save us the trouble of the "I told you so"s.

[bizarromark]

Gentlemen...start your Photoshop engines. (http://comiccoverage.typepad.com/comic_coverage/2007/03/when_quesada_st.html)

[Gladiator X]

Don't know if this has been mentioned yetr because I don't feel like reading through all the pages posted, but maybe this is the first step in Marvel trying to establish "Legacy Characters"?



Oh God!I hope not!

That's why I can't stand DC.The costume and code-name is all that matters over there.

Marvel's strength was that the person came first,not the superhero ID.

I like Cap because of Steve Rogers and what he made Captain America.Not just because of the cool uniform.

[NedPepper]

I'm not sure if this has been pointed out, but it's a question that people should be asking: Why has Cap's death caused so much "mainstream" attention? How does the press know that this death is more real when so many other heroes have fallen and returned in comics. How do members of the press, a majority of whom likely don't read comics that frequently- or at all- so suddenly catch wind of this event and decide to quickly publish it. Exactly what criteria did they go over when they decided to give this story so much coverage.


Captain America, while never being a top selling title, has always been considered an American Icon. Part of the reason he was created was out of a sense of patriotism and to give people hope during WW2.

Only in the cynical offices at Marvel, while another war is going on, would a character like this be considered outdated.

Actually, some of the media is actually questioning this, (although it's just a talking point on a slow news day that will be forgotten.)

Like Cap or hate him, the world, and particularly America, know him very well. He is one of the great comic characters, like Greek Gods of modern American mythology. While not on par with Superman, he's not that far behind.


This isn't Hal Jordan or even Aunt May. It's actually a pretty big deal.

[Binker]

Question: this issue is completly sold out everywhere and I wasn't plannign ong etting it, even now. So, in other Marvel comics I get like Ms Marvel and Mighty Avengers (which I won't get til tomorrow), will his death still be referenced/mentioned in the other books? If so, which?

[HardDrivexxx]

Did you hear that Marvel is going to bring Cap back in (4) different forms.
1) an Alien
2) a Cyborg
3) a Kid
4) one in a suit of Armor
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Steve Rogers IS, WAS and ALWAYS will be Captain America...PERIOD! How can you have Avengers without Captain America????
Any other person, I'm sorry...that just won't work for me. Marvel tried that and we got WHO???? (((USAgent))) Oh, boy! :rolleyes: Everyone was all over that one, didn't we sport fans? I am 44 years old and I have seen Marvel Comics do some real thoughtless things in my time, but this takes the cake.

To see Peter Parker give up his identity and then bring back Captain Marvel and WHY for crying out loud! "The Return" was the lamest piece of Crap I ever saw. Not to mention that we got ripped off with a Sentry backup story.:eek: On top of all that, they take one of my all time favorite heroes (((IRONMAN))) and make me hate him. Now I get to enjoy She-Hulk and Nova kick the living S&@# out of him. I really hope the the money they make is worth it! But for me, Marvel Comics removed the corner stone from the MU. To bring him back would only make all this even more pathetic!

I would like to see the "FUNERAL FOR A FRIEND" to see Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman come to pay their last respects. IF, and I use that word lightly...if Cap is really dead, than give him a true heroes funeral! I remember reading the "DEATH of CAPTAIN MARVEL" how it effected me, but even more so, helped me deal with my own grandfather died from cancer that same year.

a toast: To Steve Rogers, the one and only true CAPTAIN AMERICA! Your war is finally over. You went before your time and you will be deeply missed! Rest in peace.

Who ever did the deed, is going to get it. Sick'em Wolverine!!!!
Ps: To the newbies in collecting comics, the 4 individuals coming back as Cap...that was a joke! Ask your local comic book dealer.

[HardDrivexxx]

Did you hear that Marvel is going to bring Cap back in (4) different forms.
1) an Alien
2) a Cyborg
3) a Kid
4) one in a suit of Armor
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Steve Rogers IS, WAS and ALWAYS will be Captain America...PERIOD! How can you have Avengers without Captain America????
Any other person, I'm sorry...that just won't work for me. Marvel tried that and we got WHO???? (((USAgent))) Oh, boy! :rolleyes: Everyone was all over that one, didn't we sport fans? I am 44 years old and I have seen Marvel Comics do some real thoughtless things in my time, but this takes the cake.

To see Peter Parker give up his identity and then bring back Captain Marvel and WHY for crying out loud! "The Return" was the lamest piece of Crap I ever saw. Not to mention that we got ripped off with a Sentry backup story.:eek: On top of all that, they take one of my all time favorite heroes (((IRONMAN))) and make me hate him. Now I get to enjoy She-Hulk and Nova kick the living S&@# out of him. I really hope the the money they make is worth it! But for me, Marvel Comics removed the corner stone from the MU. To bring him back would only make all this even more pathetic!

I would like to see the "FUNERAL FOR A FRIEND" to see Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman come to pay their last respects. IF, and I use that word lightly...if Cap is really dead, than give him a true heroes funeral! I think it should be something that ROCKS all Marvel main books! I remember reading the "DEATH of CAPTAIN MARVEL" how it effected me, but even more so, helped me deal with my own grandfather died from cancer that same year.

a toast: To Steve Rogers, the one and only true CAPTAIN AMERICA! Your war is finally over. You went before your time and you will be deeply missed! Rest in peace.

Who ever did the deed, is going to get it. Sick'em Wolverine!!!!
Ps: To the newbies in collecting comics, the 4 individuals coming back as Cap...that was a joke! Ask your local comic book dealer.

[Marc_Spector]

Completely awesome issue. There is the "death" that means something for everyone who cried about there not being one in CW proper. Now, do I believe he's dead? No. I think it was faked and Stark had something to do with it.

[Tierney_616]

You know...I mentioned the fact that they'd pull this crap a few weeks ago...

Stupid Marvel and their predictability...

However, this could be fun...

I wonder if the cyborg Cap will destroy New York?

[Cyberleader]

Man, no body give a flying crap about Aunt May. She was a useless character anyway.



And yet they still brought her back...

[soulsonic]

SWEEP THE LEG!!!!:eek:

[meblob]

Blown away, welcome to the 21st century Marvel. Best impact writing I have read in comics in a long time. While some old school readers may be cursing you to hell and never reading your comics again (until next week ) you won me back with the power of the writing. i gave up a while back and when I heard about this CW I thought I would give it a look. Before all this I would never have read Cap or Iron Man, I saw them as some same old story told a thousand different ways, but now I would put the two guys in my top 5 favourites, its true I am sorry to see Cap go, but I really hope they don’t bring him back. Just put the “A” on some other dudes head, its good to move on and to see two icons like them evolve was just mind-blowing. I want more. p.s Aunt who?

[HardDrivexxx]

So...when Tony reveals a clone Cap...can we all call him The Clap?:D


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH...THE CLAP...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ! Oh my, my sides hurt!

[S-Prime]

captain america didnt die, he just turned into a cow. marvel will milk this civil war and death until we're all sick of it... which will be sometime around summer with, Civil War: The Return II

will this civil war storyline ever end?


Doesn't seem like it.

[beta-ray]

But it's fun to see it go bonkers.

The idea that Cap could be taken out by a sniper is hilarious considering the hail of gunfire that he routinely dodges in like EVERY comic book.

Could you imagine all those high powered super villians

Taskmaster "by a sniper?!"

Red Skull "one bullet?!"

What a bunch of noobs. Doesn't take any superpowers, just someone going all lee harvey on him when he isn't looking.

lol

hilarious

Justice is served!!!

:p

[beta-ray]

Of course, what this really seems to mean is that Marvel's editors couldn't even keep all their writers on message *during the same week of publication*.

What are the alternatives? Either Ms. Marvel is mistaken about Rogers being alive (which would mean she's not as high in the confidence of TPTB as she thinks, if she believes this theory), or she's outright lying to Arachne. Neither option puts Carol in a very good light, or as anything close to 'the best of the best', now does it?

*shrug* Though I can't be sure, I would just guess he is alive for a short time during which he makes his "confession".

[beta-ray]

:mad: It's useless, now. Just useless. Marvel, as one responder says, keeps findi