SPIDER-MAN 3 MEETS NBC'S HEROES

[MattBrady]

<i>Press Release</i>

Exclusive Seven and a Half-Minute Scene from Spider-ManTM 3 Debuts Online at NBC.com Following Cliffhanger Episode of "Heroes"

Spider-ManTM 3 Scene to be NBC.com's First HD Stream

<blockquote>CULVER CITY and BURBANK, Calif., March 1, 2007 – As Peter Parker's Aunt May once said, there's a hero in all of us. That will be true as Monday, March 5, becomes a night of heroes – Columbia Pictures, in anticipation of the release of Spider-ManTM 3 on May 4, will air an exclusive one-minute clip from the film during the broadcast of a cliffhanger episode of NBC's top-rated new show "Heroes," then premiere seven and a half minutes from the film online, exclusively on NBC.com, for 24 hours.

As "Heroes" moves towards the exciting conclusion of its second story arc of its first season, viewers of the show and Spider-Man fans will get a look at Spider-ManTM 3 with a brand-new 60-second clip from the movie that contains a cliffhanger of its own. Then, immediately following the broadcast, Web-crawling viewers and moviegoers can go online to catch the premiere of a revealing seven and a half-minute film sequence that will have viewers on the edge of their seats as it is streamed in high definition at NBC.com.

"'Heroes' and Spider-Man both share a common theme: everyday people and how they deal with finding themselves in extraordinary circumstances," said Valerie Van Galder, President of Domestic Marketing for the Columbia TriStar Motion Picture Group. "Because of that, this is a great programming marriage – it makes for a night of event television and a rare opportunity to see a scene from one of the summer's most highly anticipated movies. We couldn't be more excited to unveil seven and a half minutes of the movie to help whet the appetites of Spider-Man fans everywhere."

"We're so pleased to be teaming up with Columbia Pictures to present our audience with such an exciting event," said Vivi Zigler, Executive Vice President, NBC Digital Entertainment and New Media. "This partnership not only gives our users an exclusive sneak-peek at Spider-ManTM 3 – a film they will undoubtedly want to see – but also increases the richness of their experience by allowing them to stream it in HD, a first for NBC.com."

The one-minute Spider-ManTM 3 clip will drive viewers to NBC.com to see the exclusive seven and a half-minute scene from the movie, which is NBC.com's first-ever HD-streamed presentation, on any platform. The event will be promoted with ads in USA Today, Los Angeles Times, New York Times, and TV Guide, as well as online and on the radio. It will also be heavily promoted on NBC.

Columbia Pictures' Spider-ManTM 3 reunites the cast and filmmakers from the first two blockbuster adventures for a web of vengeance, love, and forgiveness that will transport worldwide audiences to thrilling new heights on May 4, 2007.

In Spider-ManTM 3, based on the legendary Marvel Comics series, Peter Parker has finally managed to strike a balance between his devotion to M.J. and his duties as a superhero. But there is a storm brewing on the horizon. When his suit suddenly changes, turning jet-black and enhancing his powers, it transforms Peter as well. Under the influence of the suit, Peter's pride and overconfidence take hold and he begins to neglect the ones he cares about the most. As two of the most-feared villains yet, Sandman and Venom, gather unparalleled power and a thirst for retribution, Spider-Man's greatest battle is the one within himself – he will need to rediscover who he is and what makes him the hero people love.

Columbia Pictures Presents A Marvel Studios/Laura Ziskin Production Spider-ManTM 3 starring Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, James Franco, Thomas Haden Church, Topher Grace, Bryce Dallas Howard, James Cromwell, Rosemary Harris, and J.K. Simmons. The film is directed by Sam Raimi. The screenplay is by two-time Oscar® winner Alvin Sargent and the screen story by Sam Raimi & Ivan Raimi and based on the Marvel Comic Book by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko. The producers are Laura Ziskin, Avi Arad, and Grant Curtis. The executive producers are Stan Lee, Kevin Feige, and Joseph M. Caracciolo.

About Columbia Pictures
Columbia Pictures, part of the Columbia TriStar Motion Picture Group, is a Sony Pictures Entertainment company. Sony Pictures Entertainment (SPE) is a subsidiary of Sony Corporation of America (SCA), a subsidiary of Tokyo-based Sony Corporation. SPE's global operations encompass motion picture production and distribution; television production and distribution; digital content creation and distribution; worldwide channel investments; home entertainment acquisition and distribution; operation of studio facilities; development of new entertainment products, services and technologies; and distribution of filmed entertainment in 67 countries. Sony Pictures Entertainment can be found on the World Wide Web at http://www.sonypictures.com.

About NBC Entertainment and NBC.com

NBC Entertainment develops and schedules programming for the network's primetime, late-night, and daytime schedules. NBC's quality programs and balanced lineup have earned the network critical acclaim, ratings success, particularly among young, upscale viewers, and numerous awards, including more Emmy Awards than any network in television history.

NBC.com is the most visited broadcast television site and the online home for the most affluent and educated broadcast television audience including unique offerings, such as interactive content, text and video blogs, and more. </blockquote>

[Vijinand]

I think I peed a little.

[God-Man]

____ing awesome. I won't watch Heroes for the minute long clip, but I'll be on NBC.com right after the show.

[zeraze1]

Fu<aa>cking awesome. I won't watch Heroes for the minute long clip, but I'll be on NBC.com right after the show.

Why don't you watch Heroes? It's one of the coolest shows on the air! The Spidey 3 clip is icing on the cake.

zeraze

[Jimmy Palmiotti]

I am glad people are watching heroes, but i stopped watching when it became the " watch what superhero character we can get away with doing " show each week.

the good thing is that people are getting into superheroes,so it has its ups and downs.

JIMMY.

[ParisCub]

I am glad people are watching heroes, but i stopped watching when it became the " watch what superhero character we can get away with doing " show each week.

the good thing is that people are getting into superheroes,so it has its ups and downs.

JIMMY.

We must be watching different shows then, as Heroes has been original enough so far to avoid exactly that.

[Jimmy Palmiotti]

We must be watching different shows then, as Heroes has been original enough so far to avoid exactly that.


yeah,original... like the cheerleader. ever hear of painkiller jane? we published that first book in 96. I dont mind, but its hardly original.

how about rose and thorn? thats from the 60's.

how about the vision?

fun show but i only made it a few episodes in, and thats what I saw. anyone else able to make matches?

[Jorge]

yeah,original... like the cheerleader. ever hear of painkiller jane? we published that first book in 96. I dont mind, but its hardly original.

how about rose and thorn? thats from the 60's.

how about the vision?

fun show but i only made it a few episodes in, and thats what I saw. anyone else able to make matches?

Well, I don't know but I think the Cheerleader is more Wolverine-based than anything.

And being intangible like the Vision may not be original, but using the same power several years after, Chris Claremont and John Byrne fleshed-out a completely different character: Kitty Pryde. I think the creative process doesn't end with the powers, it involves characterization and good storylines.

Anyway I think that it is a smart move to start with well-known powers in order to get to a mainstream audience than trying something completely new from the start. Complex powers are hard to understand (it took my comicbook-disliking girlfriend 10 episodes to understand Peter Petrelli's powers), and after 60+ years of superheroes is kind of hard to come into new ideas for powers (by the way, I don't know if there are pre-existent characters with powers like the new 'Hero' Wireless, but hers were way cool!!).



Jorge

[darrenmdr]

I partially agree with Mr Palmiotti on this. Every character in Heroes has been done before, there is nothing at all original about the show, the so called shocks and suprises are never that shocking or suprising either.

However, the writing, the direction, the acting is of such a high quality that none of that matters. Yeah there are a couple of characters I could easily do without, but then again I always found Maggot in the X-Men or Cyclops to be completely redundant characters. Didn't spoil my enjoyment of the comics as a whole.

Heroes has had one average episode so far in my opinion, the rest has been great entertainment and watching the story unfold has been great. I like the fact that questions get answered. Stories being told have endings and then a new story begins.

However I don't think that it is possible to keep the sort of quality I have become used to up indenfinitely and I would hate for Heroes to do a X Files and change from a well loved and respected piece of televsion to a steaming pile of festering putrid filth that you would never admit to liking, because it went on for too long. Again this is just personal opinion, but Lost lost it midway through Season 2, 24 started slipping in quality roundabout Season 3. I hope that Heroes does a Life on Mars ( I hope people get that reference:) ) and only has two maybe at a push three seasons. Keeps up the quality and has a proper ending.

[David H.]

yeah,original... like the cheerleader. ever hear of painkiller jane? we published that first book in 96. I dont mind, but its hardly original.

how about rose and thorn? thats from the 60's.

how about the vision?

fun show but i only made it a few episodes in, and thats what I saw. anyone else able to make matches?


The Legion's Phantom Girl had the intangibility powers long before Vision did. And Martian Manhunter had them as part of his powers set before her. And I believe that the Spectre could become intangible two decades previously. Kitty Pryde and other had them later.

I guess we should stop reading about any of them, eh?

Of course not. But that's exactly the point.

There are very few truly new super-hero powers. Just about everything has been done before in one form or another. Hell, most of the workable super-hero powers have already been done in the Legion of Super-Heroes alone! It's what you do with the characters that makes them interesting. And Heroes certainly does very interesting and original things with the characters and their world.

Frankly, I find it more enjoyable that ANY other comic-based movie or television series ever done. Which in and of itself makes it worthwhile to me.

[Jimmy Palmiotti]

we can go back and forth, but like you just pointed out, there is hardly anything original being done on the show ...but I am glad it exists.

It killed RISING STARS right out of the gate though in hollywood. From where I am sitting, I have to listen to people on the west coast say ideas i had 15 years ago arent original since they saw it on heroes last week.

again, glad it exists, but hardly groundbreaking on any level really in my eyes...and that wont change.

Jimmy

[smitch]

Well, I don't know but I think the Cheerleader is more Wolverine-based than anything.

And being intangible like the Vision may not be original, but using the same power several years after, Chris Claremont and John Byrne fleshed-out a completely different character: Kitty Pryde. I think the creative process doesn't end with the powers, it involves characterization and good storylines.

Anyway I think that it is a smart move to start with well-known powers in order to get to a mainstream audience than trying something completely new from the start. Complex powers are hard to understand (it took my comicbook-disliking girlfriend 10 episodes to understand Peter Petrelli's powers), and after 60+ years of superheroes is kind of hard to come into new ideas for powers (by the way, I don't know if there are pre-existent characters with powers like the new 'Hero' Wireless, but hers were way cool!!).



Jorge

'Nuff said. That's it exactly. Not enjoying the show because you think the super-powers aren't original enough is completely juvenile. What super-power hasn't been thought of already?

[Jimmy Palmiotti]

'Nuff said. That's it exactly. Not enjoying the show because you think the super-powers aren't original enough is completely juvenile. What super-power hasn't been thought of already?


whats juvenile is you saying something so ignorant. Its my opinion and observation ...the way I feel based on the the things I experienced. . you want to discount that by name calling , well, that is just sad.

nice way to converse. I'm guessing you are very young.

Jimmy

[thunderthief]

Well, I don't know but I think the Cheerleader is more Wolverine-based than anything.

And being intangible like the Vision may not be original, but using the same power several years after, Chris Claremont and John Byrne fleshed-out a completely different character: Kitty Pryde. I think the creative process doesn't end with the powers, it involves characterization and good storylines.

Anyway I think that it is a smart move to start with well-known powers in order to get to a mainstream audience than trying something completely new from the start. Complex powers are hard to understand (it took my comicbook-disliking girlfriend 10 episodes to understand Peter Petrelli's powers), and after 60+ years of superheroes is kind of hard to come into new ideas for powers (by the way, I don't know if there are pre-existent characters with powers like the new 'Hero' Wireless, but hers were way cool!!).



Jorge

Um, actually, Jimmy wasn't saying that he disliked the show just because of redundant powers.

You see, the storyline and the characterization are BOTH things that we've seen before.

Hey, I'll admit it: this is a good show. No one here is denying that. The production, direction, acting, special effects, advertising, this show has it all...except groundbreaking ideas.

And when I've been reading groundbreaking stuff that takes what Heroes is doing and goes above and beyond anything those viewers will EVER be shown on American television both artistically and philosophically...well...

I'm watching something else on Mondays, essentially. But I will be on NBC.com even before that clip goes live so I can watch it before the site crashes from too many hits.

Also...in comparing Heroes to shows like 24, Lost, and the X-Files, you're missing the inevitability of what happens to shows like this: continuity. Anyone who's watched all these shows (as I have) will tell you that if you handle your show with continuity, you will eventually lose older fans who've gotten bored, and you won't gain new ones because they're confused.

That's why the X-Files, for most of its run until the season before Duchovny left (which is where it went south), was so episodic. They were afraid of actually using the continuity for fear of exactly that. When the writers finally went back to use the continuity--in order to write out Duchovny and settle the "conspiracy"--nobody knew what the hell they were talking about. But if you watch the whole series on DVD (like the writers were) it makes sense.

The same thing can be said on a much faster pace about Lost and 24. Jack Bauer is all of a sudden an American hero on the scale of Steve Rogers? Uh...how? Continuity, people. Bauer can't save America in three single 24-hour periods and not be a hero! And the show's gone south because of it. Lost? How long can those morons stay lost on that island before the island becomes some crazy Doctor Moreau type place? Oh? It already has? Exactly.

So...while Heroes is great for the comic book genre, I think people need to look to the future of superheroes on television now that an archetypical foundation has been laid.

And, actually, Life on Mars is not the series to look at. The BBC's Doctor Who is more of the superhero show that America needs to start watching.

[AnthonyL]

Jimmy isn't interested in spending time watching Heroes because he doesn't find enjoyment in seeing concepts he's already seen before....and that makes him juvenile?

Alrighty then.

Anthony L

[kidvictory]

I'm surprised that I haven't gotten into Heroes yet. I have people at work loving the show, but would never crack a comic.

Yet here I am, reading comics, having one coming out and yet I don't watch Heroes.

From the brief stuff I saw, I enjoyed it - yet felt a bit, I don't know . . .bitter? They were doing superheroes, yet we won't dare make them colorful or fun - it's GOT to be dark and angst ridden and mysterious. We want to do Lost WITH superheroes, but not let on that this is all based in the funny book biz.

I'm probably off here, but it felt like it was meant to appeal to people who find superheroes silly to begin with. And for that, I guess it is genius because you've got adults digging superheroes.

I don't actually mind the repetition of powers. To me that's just an idea and ideas are not subject to copyright protection. And besides the legal aspect, it's perfectly fine to have someone else crawl up a wall - but it's how you do it. If it's from a genetically or radioactive spider and the person is all self doubting then you've really entered the Been there, Done That store and don't need to shop around.

But it's my impression that Mr. Palmiotti is coming from a different perspective. It's got to be frustrating to be in the biz like him, have created things 15 years ago and be told by a non comic reading Hollywood guy/girl that the material he's trying to sell is derivative of a Heroes episode on last week!

That experience might actually turn ME into a superhero . . .Spontaneously Combusting while Cursing Man! :mad:

[MadBandit]

Jimmy has a great point. "Heroes" is just "Watchmen" with a "Lost" flavor. When people who aren't comic book fans fawn over this show, I shake my head in laughter and sorrow.
When the heroes finally unite, what the hell are they going to do? Fight bad guys and help the innocent. Been there, done that and the audience is going to notice.

Me: I wish Studio 60 got better treatment.

[jmacleodpc19]

I have friends that watch the show and love it. Now I can finally say, "See, this is what I've been trying to tell you for years. Comic Books grew up. They're not just for kids."

I'm not put off by the fact that I've seen these powers (or storylines) used before. It's a different take. Is there any difference between Aquaman and Namor? Basically, no. What's original is what the creators do with those characters.

[grphxkindaguy]

Jimmy has a great point. "Heroes" is just "Watchmen" with a "Lost" flavor. When people who aren't comic book fans fawn over this show, I shake my head in laughter and sorrow.
When the heroes finally unite, what the hell are they going to do? Fight bad guys and help the innocent. Been there, done that and the audience is going to notice.

Me: I wish Studio 60 got better treatment.

That's what I love when you mix tv shows/movies w/super-heroes and fanboy opinions: damned if you do, damned if you don't... :rolleyes:

[RTommyB216]

I could care less who is based off whom in the series, I just think its a good story. It's certainly not a "must-see" for all comic fans, just like all comics aren't a "must-read" for all comic fans. I say we either support or critique the show, and not other's opinions.

[MadBandit]

That's what I love when you mix tv shows/movies w/super-heroes and fanboy opinions: damned if you do, damned if you don't... :rolleyes:


Hey, smart guy, I'm just saying what some people who grew up with comic books are feeling here. To say that "Heroes" is a ground-breaking show with a mature look at superheroes is like saying the wheel is cool and inventive, yet both aspects have been around for a while ("Watchmen", "The X-Men" and "The Authority", anyone?).

The dif is nobody outside of comics gave a horse crap about the medium, since it was brown-beaten by a quack psychiatrist (glad he's dead and mostly forgotten) in the 50s about being the cause of juvenile deliquency. Now, the money wagon is rolling through the streets of entertainment because fans are the power brokers and money managers now Not a bad thing, but not everyone will get the trend, let alone build a strong foundation around it. I see "Heroes" as that since, you can't prolong a mystery (look at "Lost") for the show's run.

[MadBandit]

I could care less who is based off whom in the series, I just think its a good story. It's certainly not a "must-see" for all comic fans, just like all comics aren't a "must-read" for all comic fans. I say we either support or critique the show, and not other's opinions.


Fair enough.:D

[Zechs]

*looks at 24 and then at Heroes* NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Sarawi]

I think thats awesome!! I can't wait to see Spider-man 3!! :D

[AnthonyL]

Jimmy has a great point. "Heroes" is just "Watchmen" with a "Lost" flavor. When people who aren't comic book fans fawn over this show, I shake my head in laughter and sorrow.
When the heroes finally unite, what the hell are they going to do? Fight bad guys and help the innocent. Been there, done that and the audience is going to notice.

Me: I wish Studio 60 got better treatment.

Off topic, has Studio 60 been cancelled? I loved the show, but they showed the new mob drama this week instead. Did they bring it back just to finish off the remaining episodes and then kill it?

I hope not. Some of the delivery was off (okay, a lot of it was off), but I still found it entertaining.

Anthony L

[Goodman]

yeah,original... like the cheerleader. ever hear of painkiller jane? we published that first book in 96. I dont mind, but its hardly original.

how about rose and thorn? thats from the 60's.

how about the vision?

fun show but i only made it a few episodes in, and thats what I saw. anyone else able to make matches?

I actually hadn't heard of Painkiller Jane, but from what I read in Wikipedia she was an undercover cop who turned vigilante. Sure doesn't sound much like Claire the cheerleader. And the ex-con with wife and kid seemed absolutely nothing like the android Vision to me. Was Kitty Pryde a rip-off of the Vision? Was Painkiller Jane a rip-off of Wolverine? Seems to me the show is drawing on iconic superpowers, but the characters are quite different.

[darrenmdr]

Um, actually, Jimmy wasn't saying that he disliked the show just because of redundant powers.

You see, the storyline and the characterization are BOTH things that we've seen before.

Hey, I'll admit it: this is a good show. No one here is denying that. The production, direction, acting, special effects, advertising, this show has it all...except groundbreaking ideas.

And when I've been reading groundbreaking stuff that takes what Heroes is doing and goes above and beyond anything those viewers will EVER be shown on American television both artistically and philosophically...well...

I'm watching something else on Mondays, essentially. But I will be on NBC.com even before that clip goes live so I can watch it before the site crashes from too many hits.

Also...in comparing Heroes to shows like 24, Lost, and the X-Files, you're missing the inevitability of what happens to shows like this: continuity. Anyone who's watched all these shows (as I have) will tell you that if you handle your show with continuity, you will eventually lose older fans who've gotten bored, and you won't gain new ones because they're confused.

That's why the X-Files, for most of its run until the season before Duchovny left (which is where it went south), was so episodic. They were afraid of actually using the continuity for fear of exactly that. When the writers finally went back to use the continuity--in order to write out Duchovny and settle the "conspiracy"--nobody knew what the hell they were talking about. But if you watch the whole series on DVD (like the writers were) it makes sense.

The same thing can be said on a much faster pace about Lost and 24. Jack Bauer is all of a sudden an American hero on the scale of Steve Rogers? Uh...how? Continuity, people. Bauer can't save America in three single 24-hour periods and not be a hero! And the show's gone south because of it. Lost? How long can those morons stay lost on that island before the island becomes some crazy Doctor Moreau type place? Oh? It already has? Exactly.

So...while Heroes is great for the comic book genre, I think people need to look to the future of superheroes on television now that an archetypical foundation has been laid.

And, actually, Life on Mars is not the series to look at. The BBC's Doctor Who is more of the superhero show that America needs to start watching.


I couldn't agree more regarding Dr Who in terms of an episodic superhero show, I mentioned Life on Mars as an example of a drama with an underlying plot thread and mystery running throughout the entire run. That's why I was using it as a comparision, also the decision was made that they would only make two series because thats all that was needed to tell the whole story. Therefore each episode can keep to a high standard. You don't have to havee filler episodes or move over to a more episodic nature.


A lot of this is personal opinion and I don't think anybody is particuarly wrong about this, but I watched every single episode of the XFiles on the TV without fail and never ever missed an episode. I bought all the boxsets on video too. I still think the last episode was dreadful and made absolutely no sense. I'm still waiting for the damn film to finish off the story properly.

Oh and Jon Pertwee was the best one.:D

[rugbyburn]

I couldn't agree more regarding Dr Who in terms of an episodic superhero show, I mentioned Life on Mars as an example of a drama with an underlying plot thread and mystery running throughout the entire run. That's why I was using it as a comparision, also the decision was made that they would only make two series because thats all that was needed to tell the whole story. Therefore each episode can keep to a high standard. You don't have to havee filler episodes or move over to a more episodic nature.


A lot of this is personal opinion and I don't think anybody is particuarly wrong about this, but I watched every single episode of the XFiles on the TV without fail and never ever missed an episode. I bought all the boxsets on video too. I still think the last episode was dreadful and made absolutely no sense. I'm still waiting for the damn film to finish off the story properly.

Oh and Jon Pertwee was the best one.:D

TV is TV - its deadline-oriented nature (like comics) means no story will ever be perfect. I can get past redundant powers and plotholes. My major problem with Heroes is - the piss-poor acting! I watched the pilot and that was it for me. To think I used to LIKE Ali Larter!!!! And Milo V. - ugh! I'd rather watch Tom Welling "act" and I hate him like I hate Sanjaya on Idol ...

Oh, and here I thought Peter Davidson was the best one ... his more youthful Doctor made the show more action-oriented, I thought. But Eccleston remains the one to beat!

[zeraze1]

Jimmy has a great point. "Heroes" is just "Watchmen" with a "Lost" flavor. When people who aren't comic book fans fawn over this show, I shake my head in laughter and sorrow.
When the heroes finally unite, what the hell are they going to do? Fight bad guys and help the innocent. Been there, done that and the audience is going to notice.

Actually, DL and Hiro teamed up to save a motorist from an exploding car. And ratings have kept going up ever since.

So, I don't think future Heroes team-ups would hurt the series. Frankly, I think their rarity makes the characters joining that much more special.

Me: I wish Studio 60 got better treatment.

Personally, I never thought a comedy on TV networks could be funny.

To each his own.

zeraze

[zeraze1]

It killed RISING STARS right out of the gate though in hollywood.

Actually, JMS doesn't seem all that upset about Heroes borrowing from RS. Here were his comments in an Entertainment Weekly article (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,1555891_1,00.html) on the hit superhero drama:

'Having watched the show, heard from the fans, and spoken with some folks involved in the show, there's no question that Rising Stars provided a rather substantial degree of inspiration, but that's the nature of the beast, and it's a good thing. Everybody in the comics field or any aspect of the arts looks to what has come before and builds upon it. I take it as validation that the Rising Stars concept hit something in the public consciousness that is now bubbling up in this form.'

From where I am sitting, I have to listen to people on the west coast say ideas i had 15 years ago arent original since they saw it on heroes last week.

Jimmy

I find this post ironic considering how comic creators have been copying ideas from each other for decades. If Heroes creator Tim Kring worked in comics, these same outraged comic creators and fans would be cheering him on.

Let's dispense with the double standards.

zeraze

[darrenmdr]

Looks like I could be totally and utterly wrong regarding where Heroes may be heading.
Isn't that a suprise:rolleyes:
This from SFX

Friday March 02, 2007
Heroes two: all new?

Intriguing new details have emerged about the future of our favourite new show, Heroes (currently airing over here on the Sci-Fi Channel). Creator Tim Kring has confirmed that “volume one” of the series reaches a conclusion at the end of the season, which means that next year there could be a whole heap of changes.

”Volume Two starts with the opening of season two. And Volume Two is a different story... We could have new people and new storylines and new ideas and new threats and new bad guys and new heroes... it's not just a continuing serialised storyline about only these people. It's a little more the 24 model than the Lost model."

Thank the lord, we say. Much as we love Lost, we’re starting to lose our patience with it... Hey, we’re busy people with short attention spans, and we can’t necessarily commit to five years of ongoing storyline!

Source: Sci-Fi Wire

[thunderthief]

I couldn't agree more regarding Dr Who in terms of an episodic superhero show, I mentioned Life on Mars as an example of a drama with an underlying plot thread and mystery running throughout the entire run. That's why I was using it as a comparision, also the decision was made that they would only make two series because thats all that was needed to tell the whole story. Therefore each episode can keep to a high standard. You don't have to havee filler episodes or move over to a more episodic nature.

A lot of this is personal opinion and I don't think anybody is particuarly wrong about this, but I watched every single episode of the XFiles on the TV without fail and never ever missed an episode. I bought all the boxsets on video too. I still think the last episode was dreadful and made absolutely no sense. I'm still waiting for the damn film to finish off the story properly.

Oh and Jon Pertwee was the best one.:D

I forgot to mention that in your original post (not this one, the first one) that I do agree that if television just had scripted endings, like I suppose Life On Mars does, or like many anime and online stuff does, things WOULD turn out better. You are right on that. I just don't think that's realistic since its all one big money machine.

And I think the last episode of the X-Files was dreadful too. I never said the series didn't have bad episodes, just that it made sense in its own way. That episode is exactly the example of trying to do way too much in too little a timespan, in order to give everyone what they wanted. It was what Civil War could have turned into. If there ever is another movie, I hope the television is only referenced in spirit (much like the new Doctor Who series does to its predecessor) and is able to capture the atmosphere of conspiracy and paranoia, which is what we all want to see it return to. Not the bogged down fan-fiction that the writers were giving us. (Remember! The SAME thing happened to Doctor Who with Colin Baker).

Finally...one last off-topic point...

I completely agree about Jon. He was the best. :D

(EDIT: but Christopher makes a CLOSE second)

[MadBandit]

Off topic, has Studio 60 been cancelled? I loved the show, but they showed the new mob drama this week instead. Did they bring it back just to finish off the remaining episodes and then kill it?

I hope not. Some of the delivery was off (okay, a lot of it was off), but I still found it entertaining.

Anthony L

Six episodes are left, but it remains if NBC airs them (they mght on their website), let alone renews the show. It has weak ratings, but second to CSI: Miami. A different day and time slot would be better for the show.

[HNutz]

Hey... Heroes is a GREAT show! Questions get answered, folks get killed/hurt/changed, there's resolution.... fun, FUN show!

And 7 minutes of Spidey? SWEET!!!

[RTommyB216]

Intriguing new details have emerged about the future of our favourite new show, Heroes (currently airing over here on the Sci-Fi Channel). Creator Tim Kring has confirmed that “volume one” of the series reaches a conclusion at the end of the season, which means that next year there could be a whole heap of changes.

”Volume Two starts with the opening of season two. And Volume Two is a different story... We could have new people and new storylines and new ideas and new threats and new bad guys and new heroes... it's not just a continuing serialised storyline about only these people. It's a little more the 24 model than the Lost model."

Thank the lord, we say. Much as we love Lost, we’re starting to lose our patience with it... Hey, we’re busy people with short attention spans, and we can’t necessarily commit to five years of ongoing storyline!

Source: Sci-Fi Wire
Very good news! I wouldn't mind a slight tie-in to Volume 1, but thank god that there are answers! Thanks for the update!

[zeraze1]

Thank the lord, we say. Much as we love Lost, we’re starting to lose our patience with it... Hey, we’re busy people with short attention spans, and we can’t necessarily commit to five years of ongoing storyline!



Tim Kring's strategy is very wise. Despite starting off as a ratings blockbuster, Lost has suffered a frightening decline in viewership this season. And this time ABC and Lost creators can't blame American Idol.

The reason viewers like myself jumped ship is that Lost has been spinning its wheels this season. There have been no concrete answers and too much focus on the others. So, boredom is going to set in, resulting in Lost being replaced by Heroes at TV's most popular sci-fi/fantasy drama. Actually, Heroes is one of the most watched shows on the air and even beats 24 head-to-head.

By contrast, Heroes answers a lot of questions about its plotlines and characters more swiftly than you'd expect. I was shocked that "Company Man" so clearly explained why he's do dedicated to the company, how he knew Claude (Invisible Man), and why he's so protective of Claire. In the process, we learn some questions we don't think of like "As a member of the company, does Hiro's dad know his son superhuman?"

Hence, Kring should stick to his original game plan by maintaining Heroes pace and answering lots of question per season. That way, viewers like myself will remain hooked on the show instead of drifting away as occurred with Lost.

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[Samy Merchi]

anyone else able to make matches?

Yeah, I totally see your point. I also don't read Jonah Hex because he totally copies Kid Colt's powerset of carrying around some guns.

No wait...

[Jimmy Palmiotti]

Yeah, I totally see your point. I also don't read Jonah Hex because he totally copies Kid Colt's powerset of carrying around some guns.

No wait...

wow..thats so clever...

I didnt create hex by the way. wish I did though.

jimmy:)

[Samy Merchi]

But I'm sure you'd agree that stories about Jonah can be entertaining, even if his powerset isn't the most original in the world.

Just like stories about Heroes can be entertaining, even if their powersets aren't the most original in the world.

Agree/disagree?

[Jimmy Palmiotti]

totally agree...I never said it was a bad show. ever. all cool. :)

[Samy Merchi]

:)

By the way I loved Daughters of the Dragon. My favorite parts were when you pointed out Razorfist was supposed to have two blades and Hammer and Anvil were supposed to be dead. I love it when a writer does their homework. :) Thanks for that series.

[J O R Z A C]

HaHa, Sami pisses him off, then compliments him.:D
Actually, as good as the show is, unless you are trying to sell some ideas you have to Hollywood while comics is still a hot commoddity, you jus HAVE to put yourself in Jimmy's shoes b4 passing judment. I'd be pissed too. 15 years is a long time to toll away at it while someone else reaps the rewards.

[J O R Z A C]

HaHa, Sami pisses him off, then compliments him.:D
Actually, as good as the show is, unless you are trying to sell some ideas you have to Hollywood while comics is still a hot commoddity, you jus HAVE to put yourself in Jimmy's shoes b4 passing judment. I'd be pissed too. 15 years is a long time to toll away at it while someone else reaps the rewards.

[ziza9]

Maybe the point of Heroes is not to be groundbreaking, but to simply be entertaining. There's still room for that right? I think it is a very compelling and entertaining show that from a writing standpoint has been getting better and better every week. Is it perfect? No. But it doesn't have to be the Holy Grail of the superhero genre to put butts in seats so to speak.

[ziza9]

you jus HAVE to put yourself in Jimmy's shoes b4 passing judment. I'd be pissed too. 15 years is a long time to toll away at it while someone else reaps the rewards.
Excellent point.

[MrMxyzptlk13]

If so what did you think?

Just in case anyone cares, there is a new site for Yancy St. Comics 6843 SR 54 in New Port Richey Florida 34653. www.yancystcomics.com Its one of the fastest growing comic shops in the Tampa Bay area and they have finally mad it to the web. Check it out if you want. Hell join the boards Ron Marz already has.

[Alextron]

The trailer looked great.

IT's sad that the movies seem more like Spider-man than the actual comics, which seem to get worse over the past two years. Inconistent writing and stories that star and never go anywhere. It's very sad.

[J O R Z A C]

If so what did you think?

Just in case anyone cares, there is a new site for Yancy St. Comics 6843 SR 54 in New Port Richey Florida 34653. www.yancystcomics.com Its one of the fastest growing comic shops in the Tampa Bay area and they have finally mad it to the web. Check it out if you want. Hell join the boards Ron Marz already has.

Thanx for the heads up spammer--er mr Mxyzptilk.:rolleyes:

[MrMxyzptlk13]

Thanx for the heads up spammer--er mr Mxyzptilk.:rolleyes:
Dude I'm just trying to support my local shop. Sorry I was just trying to lead the way to anyone that may be in Tampa. Where is the harm in that? Is there a thread for shops that we all love and go to every Wednesday to get our fix?

[AnthonyL]

If not, go start one. This a thread about Spider-Man 3 and Heroes. That's the problem.

Anthony L

[AllAboutMe]

Sorry. Can't see any down side to Heroes. Right now, with it's increasing popularity, it does not negatively affect the comic industry one iota. Doubt it brings all that many people into the shops who weren't already going, either. But it sure as hell ain't driving them away. All ups. No downs.
The Spidey 3 piece on NBC.com was great. Looking forward to this blockbuster!!!!

[cosmictuna]

I'm hard pressed to think of the last time anyone in any medium came up with an original power for a hero.

[tealfan]

On a side note (lol), is there a non-HD version of the clip somewhere on the Net? I'm not a gamer, so I don't have the most powerful video card.

[emanon]

I could have done without the first 3 minutes. Fortunately, I was able to fast forward once I saw that it was going to go on and on. I'm sorry, but I don't find the "romance" portions of this movie (or the last one) very interesting at all. I hope they don't dwell on it as much as they did in the last one.

[gazoo]

Me being a fan of your work for a while now, I am disappointed after reading the tone in your threads and the way you responded to certain individuals, being a professional is a full time job, and respect is something you must earn, you have lost mine today. If your bitter about something Please do not take it out on your fans, because you never know when we're reading your threads! Being sarcastic and calling someone young, not very nice, show some class and be professional!:mad:

[darrenmdr]

Me being a fan of your work for a while now, I am disappointed after reading the tone in your threads and the way you responded to certain individuals, being a professional is a full time job, and respect is something you must earn, you have lost mine today. If your bitter about something Please do not take it out on your fans, because you never know when we're reading your threads! Being sarcastic and calling someone young, not very nice, show some class and be professional!:mad:


Rubbish tosh and nonsense. Any of the professionals on here have as much right to defend or attack or admonish people or ideas or threads on here as anybody else. Most of the artists, writers, colourist etc that talk on these boards are not doing it because they are in the business as such. They are posting because like the rest of us they read comics, thet watch TV, they are fans too. I've had a couple of arguments on here, responded in a juvenile way to people and got back replies in a tone (if you can even have a tone on a friggin message board) that I deserved. Really doesn't bother me at all.


I have no idea how old people are on here when they post unless they choose to announce it, I have no idea what they do either, what they earn and nobody knows that info about me either. Everyone on here is equal in my eyes and gets treated the same no matter what or who they are.

[Rene]

Seeing how Mr. Palmiotti is the creator of the Painkiller Jane character and is working on a TV series with the character, I can see why he wouldn't like another show with a regenerative female, for very personal reasons.

Though I also must say Painkiller Jane, being a gun-toting vigilante with regenerative powers, strongly calls to mind the Punisher and Wolverine. Seeing as Painkiller Jane debuted in the 90s, in the grim'n'gritty years, the resemblance is particularly significant.

I'd say Jane resembles the Punisher and Logan a lot more than Claire resembles Jane, seeing that Claire is wholesome, almost innocent, a cheerleader, not a vigilante or a "tough girl".

I also wonder whether JMS gave any thought that his "Rising Stars" comics would damage the chance of George R. R. Martin getting stuff done for his "Wild Cards" series of novels? After all, Wild Cards was published in 1987, long, long before both Rising Stars and Heroes. JMS is NOT the creator of the concept of a "realistic world with superhuman powers".

So, forgive me, but all this talk of "Heroes" ripping off people is sounding very hypocritical to me.

[ziza9]

Seeing how Mr. Palmiotti is the creator of the Painkiller Jane character and is working on a TV series with the character, I can see why he wouldn't like another show with a regenerative female, for very personal reasons.

Though I also must say Painkiller Jane, being a gun-toting vigilante with regenerative powers, strongly calls to mind the Punisher and Wolverine. Seeing as Painkiller Jane debuted in the 90s, in the grim'n'gritty years, the resemblance is particularly significant.

I'd say Jane resembles the Punisher and Logan a lot more than Claire resembles Jane, seeing that Claire is wholesome, almost innocent, a cheerleader, not a vigilante or a "tough girl".

I also wonder whether JMS gave any thought that his "Rising Stars" comics would damage the chance of George R. R. Martin getting stuff done for his "Wild Cards" series of novels? After all, Wild Cards was published in 1987, long, long before both Rising Stars and Heroes. JMS is NOT the creator of the concept of a "realistic world with superhuman powers".

So, forgive me, but all this talk of "Heroes" ripping off people is sounding very hypocritical to me.

This post is absolutely on-point.