Would you buy a Red Hood ongoing title? [Archive]

loupgaroukid

02-19-2007, 01:55 AM

Wright Blan

02-19-2007, 01:55 AM

Nope.

We got enough cellar dweller books in this market. This would just add one more to that list.

It would depend on the crew handling the book. If a Johns or a SImmone writing it, it might be worth checking out. Winnick? Mabye with the right artist.

jgiannantoni

02-19-2007, 01:57 AM

I wouldn't buy a Jason Todd series unless it was page after page of Jason's tombstone with Jason buried 6ft under it.

The Shadow

02-19-2007, 02:02 AM

No. Fu<ghiyghuyg76>cking. Way.

chap22

02-19-2007, 02:04 AM

Winnick seems to be the only one interested in using this character, and I don't see how a character that was voted on to die by loyal readers could support a monthly on a long term basis.
I'd buy a mini where one of the Linear Men, or Hourman, or Waverider (somebody! anybody!) hunts him down to erase him and close his time-anomaly loophole, and help me to forget that Jason Todd was ever brought back in the first place.
amen. dear Christ no i wouldn't buy such pap.

but if they did the Linear Men route and fixed it so the JT who was in Barr & Davis's Detective run, Legends, For the Man Who Has Everything, etc. was never retconned and thus still alive and this tire-stealing snot-nosed punk running around in the leather jacket and red hood never existed, THAT i could get behind.

loupgaroukid

02-19-2007, 02:08 AM

amen. dear Christ no i wouldn't buy such pap.

but if they did the Linear Men route and fixed it so the JT who was in Barr & Davis's Detective run, Legends, For the Man Who Has Everything, etc. was never retconned and thus still alive and this tire-stealing snot-nosed punk running around in the leather jacket and red hood never existed, THAT i could get behind.

That is another loophole to exploit entirely...that pocket of time after COIE but before the re-boots/modernizations. Duelling retcons on Infinte Earths....just think of the possibilities:)

One-eyedjake

02-19-2007, 02:10 AM

I wouldn't buy a Jason Todd series unless it was page after page of Jason's tombstone with Jason buried 6ft under it.
Sounds interesting but I suppose it would depend on the creative team.:p Still I'd definately buy the first issue of this before I would a series featuring a living Jason Todd.

FilterKing

02-19-2007, 02:28 AM

Winnick seems to be the only one interested in using this character, and I don't see how a character that was voted on to die by loyal readers could support a monthly on a long term basis.
I'd buy a mini where one of the Linear Men, or Hourman, or Waverider (somebody! anybody!) hunts him down to erase him and close his time-anomaly loophole, and help me to forget that Jason Todd was ever brought back in the first place.

Uhm, i never voted for Jason Todd to die. (of course i was like...4 years old?:p ) I'd buy a Red Hood series, seriously some of u guys need to let that ____ go.

loupgaroukid

02-19-2007, 02:33 AM

Uhm, i never voted for Jason Todd to die. (of course i was like...4 years old?:p ) I'd buy a Red Hood series, seriously some of u guys need to let that ____ go.

I was 10 and didn't vote either. There isn't much that bothers me in comics, but everyone has their breaking point and Jason Todd's return is mine. I liked the arc in Batman, but that payoff story in Batman Annual 25 was an absolute embarrassment.
I'm not against any character resurrection in theory, but I at least need some sort of story justification or purpose. Call me contrary:p

Kent Horton

02-19-2007, 02:54 AM

I'd buy one, depending on the writer. Much as I generally am not a fan of Winick anymore, I might actually like him on a Red Hood series.

theduskboy

02-19-2007, 04:05 AM

SouthtownKid

02-19-2007, 04:27 AM

I would buy it, as long as they didn't remove the moral ambiguity and make him a full-on hero again.

The Shadow

02-19-2007, 04:42 AM

Uhm, i never voted for Jason Todd to die.
I was 10 and didn't vote either.
I was 11 and I voted for the death penalty.

The Shadow

02-19-2007, 04:43 AM

dude, that was 17 years ago...

17 years!!!!
... so? :confused:

It was a good story that had a lasting impact on Batman for 17 years. Why undo it?

And there are lots of stories that don't get touched that go back longer than 17 years.

Juisarian

02-19-2007, 05:10 AM

Not unless there was some compelling reason to do so.

theduskboy

02-19-2007, 05:15 AM

... so? :confused:

It was a good story that had a lasting impact on Batman for 17 years. Why undo it?

And there are lots of stories that don't get touched that go back longer than 17 years.

that's not what I meant. I like the story too. I just think the fact that the character used to be dead is important, and not the voting part. There are many readers nowadays that weren't affected by that voting thing because some of them weren't even born.

Circumstances aside, I actually like the Red Hood, I'd buy a mini. But I'd want him to remain a bit of a mistery and not read about his thoughts too much.

Michael Hawk

02-19-2007, 05:16 AM

Sure and I definitely would buy it if Winick was writing it.

wisdom000

02-19-2007, 05:25 AM

Absolutely......... Todd makes a much cooler punicher type than a hot pants wearing nancy boy......

He is the first new batman in a looooooooooooong time I have actually dug, and the only one introduced in the last ten years capable of standing up with his greatest enemesis, like Joker, Rhas, and Two face........

I am hoping he kills off most of the lame rogues gallery batman has been carting around for years, like riddler and the mad hatter.

Salieri

02-19-2007, 05:35 AM

Yes. Religiously.

KoozyK

02-19-2007, 08:39 AM

depends on writer/artist. if winick's involved at all (which i'm sure he would be), then definitely not.

Hellblazer

02-19-2007, 08:48 AM

Yes !

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Drink

02-19-2007, 08:52 AM

No. I didn't mind the initial Red Hood storyline, at least at first (Although the ending of the arc was ____), but he doesn't deserve an ongoing. And even barring that, I do believe he was better off dead, especially given the explanation for his ressurection.

Besides, I've been slowly weaning off DC titles for the most part, so this wouldn't be a draw for me anyway.

Dan-el

02-19-2007, 09:24 AM

I was 10 and didn't vote either. There isn't much that bothers me in comics, but everyone has their breaking point and Jason Todd's return is mine. I liked the arc in Batman, but that payoff story in Batman Annual 25 was an absolute embarrassment.
I'm not against any character resurrection in theory, but I at least need some sort of story justification or purpose. Call me contrary:p

I agree - batman Annual 25 was a fine waste of 2 years of build-up! Not to mention the nonsensical ending to the Under the Hood arc.

Jason Todd should have been a from a Multiverse where JT survived the explosion grew-up to become a villan. This way, even if he survived, Batman still failed Jason Todd. This should have been the Jason Todd in Hush and Under the Hood series.

Bringing him back the way they have cheapens the modern Bat Mythos. What happened to imaginative an intelligent story telling???

chap22

02-19-2007, 10:30 AM

I am hoping he kills off most of the lame rogues gallery batman has been carting around for years, like riddler and the mad hatter.
i wish upon you a lifetime supply of unicorns and rainbows.:mad: :mad:

how DARE you badmouth Tetch and Nigma? those guys rock. and you suck.:p :p

and now that i think about it, i would love for Winick to get an ongoing Red Hood series. IF picking such a series up means he'd have to make time for it by dropping Outsiders, so Fabian Nicieza could come in and write it. that way i could read that book again, doubling my monthly intake of good Nightwing writing, and i could still ignore all hell out of the RH book. win-win for me.:D

MatthewSmith

02-19-2007, 10:34 AM

Never in a million years.

tralfaz

02-19-2007, 10:36 AM

only if he dies in the first issue and it turns into a new manhunter book

red hook has been a one trick pony. the allure of him being the long thought dead jason todd is gone. he's now delgated as the go to douchebag

BanMan

02-19-2007, 10:38 AM

A mini yes, but only if he's like he was before OYL or the Annual. No ongoing though.

bkbrawler

02-19-2007, 11:06 AM

i would give it a try, just like most people i guess I would just rely on the team thats backing it up, i think jason has the potential of being a great character but DC hasn't had the time for him that he deserves since they've been dealing with Crisis, OYL and 52.

but please just get him out of that GA book and just either add him to the teen titan east roster or get him in a robin arc, he should payback what he did to robin a few months back. :mad:

Ranadiel

02-19-2007, 11:20 AM

Nope I have no desire to read about him.

NeroMan

02-19-2007, 11:40 AM

Personally? Not really.

BUT
While I'm not interested in a Red Hood ongoing.
I -am- interested in comics with The Red Hood, and would enjoy reading 12 issues or more a year.
guest appearances, yes please.
Miniseries, sure
How about a "Red Hood vs Secret Six" three-parter?
I dunno.

Myu!

MoneyMelon

02-19-2007, 11:42 AM

I'd prefer a mini-series.

darrenmdr

02-19-2007, 12:02 PM

astronato

02-19-2007, 12:27 PM

I think it would be better as a Red Hood mini. RH is the only thing Winnick has done that I've liked. Batman is completley torn up whenever Jason shows up and I like that. He's an interesting villain in that Batman loves him. The Red Hood/Joker connection is cool too. But as much as I like the multiverse I thought it was the wrong place to go for an explaination of his ressurection, especially with the Lazarus pit lying around.

But if Winnick is involved I'll skip it. I've since soured on him.

BanMan

02-19-2007, 12:48 PM

Been out of the loop on Batman since the whole Knightfall thing. So briefly Red Hood? wasn' that the Joker before he became The Joker?

Me am confused Jason Todd he dead he very dead? No? What going on? Brief overview of last few years would be great. Thanks. or should just go to Wikipedia now?

Yes at one point Joker used to be Red Hood.

Anywho...Jeph Loeb teased the possibility of Jason Todd returning from the dead in the Hush arc. In the end we were told that JT was actually just Clayface, but Winnick says nuh-uh. So by way of Superboy Prime Punch, JT came back to life and was taken to a Lazarus Pit I think. He trained for a while, came back to Gotham, hooked up with Hush for a minute then took the name of Red Hood to terrorize Batman again. Well maybe that's the wrong choice of words. He didn't come back to terrorize Bruce as much as he came back to show Bruce that using a more lethal method when dealing with crooks wasn't so much a bad thing. Wrestling some of the gangs and dealers from the Black Mask he made a little name for himself and a little money to fund his operation. Pre-OYL, he managed to kidnap the Joker (who was also dealing with Hush in another book at the same time ;) ). And he put Bruce in a "him or me" position. Bruce chose to save the Joker while wounding JT in the neck. Joker proceeds to blow the whole place up if I recall.

JT was a good foil for Bruce as Red Hood. Formidable in hand-to-hand and quite knowledgeable of how the Big Bat operated. So it was fun to see Batman play catch up and trying to overcome his feelings regarding Jason in order to take action. That said...the Red Hood issues ran out on a little too long. Seeing Dick team up with Bruce was good, as was seeing Jason team up with him. I enjoyed it for the most part though I hated the last few issues because they lost Mahnke, didn't get Davis and the story just spiraled right into IC madness...in the worst way. Nothing was resolved.

Oh and one more thing...WTF happened to Onyx??

jgiannantoni

02-19-2007, 12:51 PM

I agree - batman Annual 25 was a fine waste of 2 years of build-up! Not to mention the nonsensical ending to the Under the Hood arc.

Jason Todd should have been a from a Multiverse where JT survived the explosion grew-up to become a villan. This way, even if he survived, Batman still failed Jason Todd. This should have been the Jason Todd in Hush and Under the Hood series.

Bringing him back the way they have cheapens the modern Bat Mythos. What happened to imaginative an intelligent story telling???

I agree. Johns's Earth-2 explanation for Jason would have been great And would have connected Batman to the theme of Infinite Crisis in an awesome way that would not have violated regular Jason's death. Like Earth-2 Superman, I imagine Earth-2 Jason would have been bitter about Earth-2 Batman's death and critical of our Batman's lenient crimefighting ways. Would have been cool.

But, instead we got the dumb idea of bringing the regular Jason back, and with the poorest of explanations.

Stazz

02-19-2007, 12:55 PM

Not an ongoing, but maybe a mini, where takes out minor/expendable/original villains across the DCU.

greenflameuk

02-19-2007, 12:56 PM

Yeah i'd definitely pick up an ongoing, i've loved what Winick has done with the character.

But honestly i don't know if he could support one, so i think maybe a maxiseries would be a better idea, with the possibility of an ongoing if it sells well.

The Spirit

02-19-2007, 01:37 PM

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Moriarty

02-19-2007, 01:50 PM

Haha, no.

Winick (surprisingly) turned out a pretty good story involving the character (and continues to do so in GA, actually), but the dude's a villain. A supporting character. Never someone worthy enough to deserve his own book.

Agreed; it's the same reason why I was always against Harley getting her own title.

webhead10

02-19-2007, 02:05 PM

i'd definately try the first issue, but i'd have higher hopes going in if it were Winnick writing it. i'm a big fan of the red hood in the stories that winnick's written and i think that there is a lot to explore with the character especially in his re-birth and relationship with batman(although it's been watered down due to Damien's existence and similar upbringing).
winnick's currently writing a very fun arc featuring the red hood in GA.

bungi43

02-19-2007, 02:29 PM

I would buy it, as long as they didn't remove the moral ambiguity and make him a full-on hero again.

I'm with you on that one. As long as he doesnt turn into a complete do gooder again..I'd be fine.

I hated that they brought him back. I hated how they brought him back.

But I have liked the stories, I like his character...and I can see how he's ventured down the path he has. So yeah, I'd probably buy the title.

But he is a supporting character...so (like now) he'd have to be running into it with some other hero/villian every issue. he can't carry it alone

Neocles

02-19-2007, 02:33 PM

I would buy it, as long as they didn't remove the moral ambiguity and make him a full-on hero again.

As long as he doesnt turn into a complete do gooder again..I'd be fine.

I'd buy it too.

Uchiha_Prodigy

02-19-2007, 02:36 PM

No, he seems like a lame Punisher rip off. Mabey if he got his own personality.

Clem

02-19-2007, 02:46 PM

I couldnt stand Winick's "Red Hood" stuff.

Jason may have been Batman's biggest failure, but only because he couldnt save him from dying. Now he's been twisted into some f*cked up unrepentant murderous twit and ruined everything.

Fazhoul

02-19-2007, 02:50 PM

Not just no but HELL no.

RogueSmurf6

02-19-2007, 03:55 PM

loupgaroukid

02-19-2007, 06:05 PM

I'd probably check it out. I think Red Hood could work as a more playful Punisher type, dealing a deadly brand of justice based on Batman's training and style. It adds some chinks to Batman's armor. The untouchable Bat-Family could use a black sheep.

But that's what they did with Batgirl, having take over the League of Assassins and hangin with Deathstroke (drugged or not).

Drink

02-19-2007, 06:19 PM

But that's what they did with Batgirl, having take over the League of Assassins and hangin with Deathstroke (drugged or not).
Jason came first with that idea (Being the black sheep that is), which makes what happened to Cassandra criticizable for being redundant, as they happened within half a year of each other. This is added to all the other criticisms besides.

RRGrayson

02-19-2007, 09:47 PM

I could see a Jason Todd book only if:

1. There was an expectional team on it. And that they kept a good focus.

2. That there would be mission or specific reason for the book. Not just to have a "Bad Guy" book out there. Heck if we wanted that, there would probabbly be a Deathstroke series right now.

3. Make it ground-breaking and influential with the DC universe.

If you can't do that. Don't do it at all. There is enough books out there right now that aren't worth it. And putting another Bat-Book better have some relevance. It's bad enough that it seems like Nightwing and Robin aren't really going anywhere.

Jason Todd should of stayed dead. His death meant something that was powerful enough for more stories that could of been written without doing a Didio. (bring back someone we don't like and TRY to kill someone we do like-Nightwing, Dick Grayson)

The Shadow

02-19-2007, 10:25 PM

I think Red Hood could work as a more playful Punisher type
So... why not read The Punisher then?? :confused:

diana_fan

02-19-2007, 11:38 PM

I like Red Hood, and I'd buy the series, especially if Winick were writing it.

bg.

02-20-2007, 12:58 AM

I would not buy it, but I would read the spoilers

astronato

12-22-2007, 10:02 PM

http://teland.com/scans/Batman_408-20.jpg

Stazz

12-22-2007, 10:08 PM

I'd buy a mini about him being targetted by the Supercriminal Community because he's more of a direct threat to them due to his methods, resulting in him being on the run from them while simultaneously coming into conflict with the more regular heroes and refusing their aid.
Not an ongoing though.

cap infinity

12-22-2007, 11:46 PM

Maybe. But if would have to a completely different character using the name.

Slick

12-23-2007, 09:20 AM

If it was by Winick, hell yeah, everyone else whos tried to write JT/Red Hood has made a balls of it

Clockan

12-23-2007, 10:17 AM

i absolutely hated the fact that they brought back jason todd... that was THE most shocking moment in DC history when joker got all crowbar happy on Todds face... and his return completely ruined that whole arc and that whole story. the tragic murder of robin now means nothing and i hate it.
with that said i hate the fact that i like todd... i like the idea that there is a bitter, angry, upset, psychotic robin out there who has a huge grudge against batman. i like that a robin grew up to not be a hero. i like that there is a true dark character in the batman family who isnt a part of the ultimate good like nightwing, tim drake, batman or oracle. i like the way his character is treated now that hes not a villain anymore and is not a hero either. he seems to be in a sort of limbo and i love that.
i just wish they did all this with another character who wasnt a huge part of one of the greatest moments in dc comics. couldnt they just have used a jason todd from another universe who never died but became the character that todd is now and switched earths to get away from batman or something?

with all that said. those things that make me feel torn about todd will probobly make me skip the book and pick up trades if anything. but he is an interesting character that i think could have his own book for sure. if nightwing can have a good book i think todd could too. theyre very similar. former wards of batman on their own. both look alike and have very similar skills and abilities. the only real difference is nightwing is the ultimate good and todd isnt and likes it that way.

Spade

12-23-2007, 10:32 AM

Depens on the creative team.

Most of you guys would change your minds if they annouced a series written by Dixon.

Particle_Man

12-23-2007, 03:34 PM

If Red Hood was part of the Suicide Squad (or maybe that alternate secret army group led by General Glory that tried to recruit Tim Drake) then ya.

Jason Todd is a soldier. He should be under some kind of tough military style command, and allowed to use lethal force. Suicide Squad is a natural choice. Heck, after he served with them a while to make his past crimes "go away", he might stick around voluntarily, seeing Waller as a parental figure (a counterpart to Batman in many ways).

That said, if Jason Todd actually killed anyone important (a costume with a name, as opposed to "red-shirt/mook criminals"), I would be a little more interested. Say Jason Todd killing Dr. Light, then I would buy that.

That's the trouble with Todd: the laws of "super-villains are too cool to allow heroes to kill them" mean that he really can't achieve his objectives by lethal means.

Tombosephus

12-23-2007, 03:38 PM

If it was a killin' vigilante/kinda insane Jason Todd, I'd like to check it out. If it's angry Donna Troy boyfirend Jason Todd, I'd probably pass. But the creative team would make a big difference too. How's Garth Ennis' relationship with DC?:D

Clem

12-23-2007, 03:41 PM

No chance in hell.

His characterisation has been all over the place, except for maybe universally unlikable.

Plus having a Bat-trained supervillain running wild, killing people as he pleases, is a pretty big insult, no? By this point Batman should've knocked him on his ass, dragged him back to the Batcave and thrown him in a cell for all time.

Clockan

12-28-2007, 11:05 AM

since ive been watching the past episodes of teen titans... i really liked the red x character that could easily be jason todd...perfect anti hero character

http://www.megomuseum.com/custom/cards/redx.jpg

chap22

12-28-2007, 11:12 AM

Depens on the creative team.

Most of you guys would change your minds if they annouced a series written by Dixon.
betcha i wouldn't.:p

jmcl89

12-28-2007, 11:46 AM

Can we keep Judd busy with a Red Hood book, and get someone else on the GA/BC title ? That would make me happy.

NeroMan

12-28-2007, 12:12 PM

God, I wish he would put the mask back on.

SouthernHero

12-28-2007, 04:45 PM

I certainly would, no matter who wrote it. But if it was Dixon... wow. Heck yes.

Volvic

12-30-2007, 07:31 PM

I might be tempted to pick up a mini, but it would really depend on who was writing it. Not Winnick, you know when you're in trouble as a writer when you mess up something as simple as a Harley and Ivy story - and that's before we even go near the rest of his dreck.

To be honest I think DC missed the boat on Todd during Hush. If they were going to bring him back then that was the time to do it. But as it is, he works best as a supporting character and unless they give him major character growth, a decent writing team and a supporting cast that we can care about, then it'd be a disaster. See the Harley Quinn ongoing for details.