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MattBrady
11-25-2002, 07:24 AM
<img src="http://classic.newsarama.com/general/CSNLogo.jpg" width="175" height="139" hspace="2" border="0" align="right">from CSN #804

Batman has been cast as an avatar of unrelenting justice and ethical retribution for so long that it’s hard to picture him as something else... a figure of forgiveness, for instance.

So what led J.M. deMatteis to even attempt something so radical?

In Batman: Absolution, a hardcover graphic novel by deMatteis and Brian Ashmore, the Dark Knight tracks down a one-time terrorist... but his quest forces him to consider the possibility that someone once devoted to violence and mayhem might have changed.

In light of the events of September 11th, 2001, the word “terrorist” evokes very strong responses. Did our post-9/11 attitudes influence the development of Batman: Absolution? “The story was actually conceived about ten years ago. I pitched it to Denny O’Neil and Scott Peterson, they liked it,” deMatteis told CSN. “We agreed to do it...and then, for reasons that had nothing to do with Denny, Scott or DC, I decided to shelve it. When I returned to DC in l999—after a number of years being exclusive to Marvel—I found the old outline and thought maybe now was the time to do it. Denny agreed—and we were off.

“The script was actually finished before September 11th—not long before, if I recall correctly... But the story—and its themes—certainly became more timely, more urgent, as a result of that event...and so much that’s happened since then.”

The story, which begins in Gotham but ultimately takes Batman to India in pursuit of his quarry, sounds like it could almost be a spirit-quest tale, but deMatteis said that’s not what he’s going for. “Although there is a spiritual dimension to the story—quite a bit of it takes place in India, after all—the story is really about the limits of compassion. Of forgiveness. Not just forgiving others for the wrongs they’ve done us...but forgiving ourselves for our own mistakes.

“The absolution the characters are seeking can be found in God, yes; that’s the Source it emanates from. But I think, really, we’re all seeking it in ourselves and in our fellow humans... And isn’t that where God resides?”

Batman is perfectly suited for urban action and melodrama; is it more difficult to make the character work as well against an international backdrop and exotic locales? “Well, there are urban settings in Absolution,” deMatteis said. “We’re in Gotham, we’re in London... and in the streets of New Delhi. But I have to say I loved the idea of Batman at the Taj Mahal. Batman crouched atop a train riding through the Indian countryside.... Batman on a mountain, fighting for his life outside an ancient tomb. He’s primal, he’s mythic, and he works extremely well in this context.

“The great thing about the Batman character is that he’s so adaptable. He works in so many different ways. In so many types of stories. And there are really so many facets of Batman to be explored. He can be a classic, colorful superhero. A noirish detective. A cynic. A true believer. A pulpish adventurer. Fighting aliens with the Justice League one minute...in the middle of a gangland war the next.

“I think that sometimes people get too focused on one aspect of Batman...when there are so many. One of the things I so enjoyed in my recent Legends of the Dark Knight arc, ‘Grimm’ was creating a Batman story that had elements of earlier, more lighthearted times. Batman can have all his trauma and angst...and still find time to laugh a little and enjoy himself.”

With Absolution, however, deMatteis moves far away from those earlier, more lighthearted times. “This story, for the record, is very much rooted in the alleged Real World. No other costumed characters to be found—unless you consider saris costumes,” he quipped. “And Batman is fairly dark.”

<a href="http://classic.newsarama.com/DC/bm_absolu.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://classic.newsarama.com/DC/bm_absolu_t.jpg" width="175" height="266" hspace="2" border="0" align="left"></a>Terrorism in a larger scope is something that Batman rather deals with; he’s accustomed to confronted sociopaths who operate on a one-to-one scale. Was it difficult to balance the horrors of terrorism, the adventure of superheroics, and the complexities of redemption in the same story? “No, it wasn’t difficult at all. Because, whatever the political implications, Absolution is first and foremost a human story. As long as you’re focusing on the characters, on what makes them do what they do, the rest of the story will take care of itself, I think. I didn’t once think that I was doing anything remotely political when I was writing this. Politics, in the end, is the result of actions by human beings. And that’s what I’m interested in.”

So what’s the answer? Can Batman accept the idea of absolution and forgiveness? “That’s the central question we explore,” deMatteis said. “If I tell you, you won’t have to read the book!”

Absolution is distinctive in a visual way, also: it’s a hardcover graphic novel with fully painted art by a comics newcomer, Brian Ashmore. DeMatteis gives all the credit for this artistic discovery Bat-meister and former Batman editor Denny O’Neil. “I didn’t know anything about him ‘til Denny told me he was doing the art. And when I finally saw the finished painted pages I was quite happy with the work. Very impressive...and worthy of the format.”

Batman: Absolution, a hardcover graphic novel, is scheduled for a November 27th release.

Antisocial
11-25-2002, 10:53 AM
Lately, J.M. deMatteis has become so New Age-y in his writing that anytime I see his name in the credits, I know it's a book to be avoided. His Spectre was boring. His (thankfully brief) Superman run was ludicrous. Now this dog of a Batman story. It's a shame to see a writer whose work I enjoyed so much in times past go off in a bad direction. JMD, if you read this, please seperate your personal beliefs from your comic writing.

projectsky
11-25-2002, 11:12 AM
My friend, without trying to judge you, it may be easy for many to say that you have a closed mind and a poor conception of what might make a good comic book. I for one have been enchanted by his recent Spectre book, which in the essence of the character, is a very spirtual book in it's identity. While Hal Jordan as the spectre is debatable, the writer's standpoint wasn't quite. I thought his work to be focused, intricate, and with a beautiful sense of wonder attached to it.

Most good writers write stories that point to their beliefs. What would Promethea be with Alan Moore's personal beliefs and theology?

csGuy
11-25-2002, 02:02 PM
ProjectSky, you said almost exactly what i was going to say, INCLUDING the Promethea comparison.

Spooky! =)

Richard
11-25-2002, 02:30 PM
And I wouldn't quite say that his new-age-ness is a new thing. For several years his work has had a either tinge of it, if it didn't out right base itself around new age themes. There was a Vertigo series sometime back called Seekers Into the Unknown that dealt with a guy discovering how the universe operated, then his Brooklyn Dreams mini, if I recall correctly, had a sort of spiritual awakening or discovery by the protagonist. His recent work on the Spectre and and now Batman: Absolution is consistent with his output through the years. In fact, if his work didn't have these themes, I would wonder if something was wrong. And along with the spiritual element, his characters are almost always well written and deeply conceived. I love JM DeMatteis for this... I don't expect slam bam battles with his writing. I expect journeys of the characters mind and soul. How was his Superman run? I've avoided Superman for many years and didn't pick it up when DeMatteis was writing it...

Richard
11-25-2002, 02:32 PM
If I'm not mistaken, Brooklyn Dreams came out before Seekers... didn't mean to imply in my post that Seekers came out first. But then my memory could be failing me...

OM
11-25-2002, 05:52 PM
...Oh great. Yet another DeMatteis pseudohindubhuddistic attempt to put his views on religion into a character. Didn't work on Dr. Fate, damn sure didn't work on Specter, either. You'd think DC would have learned by now not to let him try to insert his recycled The Dark concepts into his work.

The only thing this annoying was Paul Kupperberg's trying to have everything under the sun directly descended from Atlantis and Arion...

Act of God
11-26-2002, 12:40 PM
I own each and every issue of THE SPECTRE volumes 1,2,3 and 4 and as much as I enjoyed the first 3 series I think that the latest incarnation was the most daring and interesting approach to the Spectre mythos.Unfortunately it seems that most people only buy what they are comfortable with....

Pascal
06-02-2004, 06:39 AM
This was one of the best Batman stories I ever read. DeMatteis knows how to write this character. I just wish they'd let him write a Bat-ongoing.

OM
06-02-2004, 07:26 PM
Originally posted by Antisocial
Lately, J.M. deMatteis has become so New Age-y in his writing... ...<u>LATELY</u>? He's been beating this same old tired quasireligious tired old dead horse around ever since he got his <I>The Dark</i> crossover series turned down flat over at DC. That's been almost a decade ago, if not longer as he's been hinting at this "Dark" as far back as his <I>Forever People</i> mini. It worked fine for that one time, but since then...well, let's just say the first nail in his coffin was when he introduced Dr. Mayavale and Steve Ditko was dumb enough to lower himself to draw that particular mistake.

...And if you think that's what killed the latest <I>Spectre</I> attempt, you're correct. It's what killed his <I>Dr. Fate</i> run, and pretty much anything else he's laid his hands on of late. Sure, the "spiritiualism brings hope and victory over evil" is great and all that, but when it keeps getting hammered in every fucking panel with more zeal than a Billy Graham crusade or with more banal propaganda than a Pat Robertson masturbatorial, everyone gets fucking sick of it. It's the same thing ad nauseum, and DC really, REALLY needs to tell him to back off of it and stick to more normal storytelling.

...Here's a Dematteis story I've not told in a while, one that Matty might remember from usenet a long, long time ago. Back in the mid 80's, a local creator named John Nordland bought a printing press and tried the self-publishing route akin to <I>Elfquest</i>. The book was called <I>Heroes</i>, and it was actually pretty good for its day. In fact, I was supposed to appear in the book as "Bouncing Bob", whose power was the ability to bounce through walls without losing his Indiana Jones hat, whcih was my chapeu of choice in those days. What got John started into self publishing was when he took his samples to a convention, and JM Dematteis was the DC rep looking over samples. The scenario went like this:

John: "Well, what do you think?"

[blank stare from JMD]

[Puts down samples]

JMD: "...[ahem]...so, what do you think of <i>Moon Knight</i>?"

...Needless to say, it was done in a very cold, distaff tone that quite a number of people overheard. John politely picked up his samples, and left, vowing to put out his own book his own way, and JM Dematteis could go fuck himself. But he was very professional about it, while Dematteis was obviously sitting with a corncob up his butt that day.

...When the local shops - there were only three at that time - got wind of this, they cancelled all orders on any book that Dematteis was writing at the time, regardless of whether it cost them customers. Considering the only thing he was writing at that time was <i>Moon Knignt</i>, that cost about a buck in sales per shop. but it still sent a message across when one of the Marvel reps called our shop to as why we'd gone from 10 copies to zero.

...Since then, with the exception of <I>Forever People</i>, I've had very little appreciaton for anything JMD has done. In fact, every one of those series that Dematteis ruined with his preaching could have been a winner had they been given to someone who <i>needs</i> the work, like Bill Messner-Loebs.

<B>Bottom Line</b>: If I want to be preached to in a comic, I'll call someone with talent, like Mike Netzer.

Pascal
06-02-2004, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by OM
[B...Since then, with the exception of <I>Forever People</i>, I've had very little appreciaton for anything JMD has done. [/B]

Well, DeMatteis has done a lot of great things and reading them biased because of some incident years ago doesn't change your opinion, I guess.

netzart
06-05-2004, 10:22 PM
Originally posted by OM
<B>Bottom Line</b>: If I want to be preached to in a comic, I'll call someone with talent, like Mike Netzer.

+972-2-993-7009.

Pascal
06-06-2004, 07:20 AM
Originally posted by netzart
+972-2-993-7009.

LOL. For real? :D

netzart
06-06-2004, 07:49 AM
Originally posted by Pascal
LOL. For real? :D

in the flesh.

Pascal
06-07-2004, 10:04 AM
Cool! :D

I call you when DeMatteis' writing begins to suck.

NEVER! :D ;) :)

netzart
06-07-2004, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Pascal
I call you when DeMatteis' writing begins to suck.
NEVER! :D ;) :)

dematteis is a good writer. he just has to get over preaching spiritualism and figure out what that means in real life and how to apply it into the stories he writes. only then can he start thinking about what he wants to say and not just towing a theology which winds up overwhelming the thrust of his plots.

michael

Pascal
06-07-2004, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by netzart
dematteis is a good writer. he just has to get over preaching spiritualism and figure out what that means in real life and how to apply it into the stories he writes. only then can he start thinking about what he wants to say and not just towing a theology which winds up overwhelming the thrust of his plots.

michael

So you mean he doesn't live spirituality? That he just knows much about it? I know many people who like to research occult or new age-y stuff, but don't get that you have to experience it for yourself. If you depend on what others say about your own soul and about other dimensions, spirituality gets its own ideology, which usually doesn't lead to good things. How do you know that this applies to DeMatteis? :confused:

netzart
06-07-2004, 02:24 PM
Originally posted by Pascal
So you mean he doesn't live spirituality? That he just knows much about it?

no. i know he lives it. but it's a process and it can take a long time to get past a need to straightfordwardly enlighten others with profound understandings one attains when they go such course. once you accept that your conduct in life is the best way to touch others, you might begin to appear to preach less, and still exude all the truths you've learnt.

How do you know that this applies to DeMatteis? :confused:

again, i'm not attributing the superficiality you mentioned to j.m. he's well past that. still, his books aren't yet hitting a chord with a growing public and too many voices within the readership attribute it to a sense that they're being preached at which is causing a dilluted plotline. it's wise to listen to these voices and perhaps think about how to streamline the message so it's more readily digested by the common folk.

this said, dematteis is one of the better writers in the industry and has a rich life experience behind him. if he'd never write another comic in his life, he has nothing to be ashamed of. he played around with good ideas and added considerable dimesion to the medium.

michael

Pascal
06-07-2004, 03:38 PM
Originally posted by netzart
no. i know he lives it. but it's a process and it can take a long time to get past a need to straightfordwardly enlighten others with profound understandings one attains when they go such course. once you accept that your conduct in life is the best way to touch others, you might begin to appear to preach less, and still exude all the truths you've learnt.

Well said. I practice european Geomancy and still am in the process of learning to integrate my experiences in my daily life. It's not always easy, so I know what it is like to be told to not being that preachy. But I feel the difference when I'm all grounded.

again, i'm not attributing the superficiality you mentioned to j.m. he's well past that. still, his books aren't yet hitting a chord with a growing public and too many voices within the readership attribute it to a sense that they're being preached at which is causing a dilluted plotline. it's wise to listen to these voices and perhaps think about how to streamline the message so it's more readily digested by the common folk.

But when he's good, he's great. I didn't read enough of his Spectre to truly know if the title was too preachy (what many people stated), but his Vertigo book "The One" or "Supergirl:Wings" were at least entertaining and moving, without being preachy at all, in my opinion. But he probably cuts loose sometimes, I guess.

:)

netzart
06-09-2004, 08:50 PM
eyes wide open, pascal. that's what you want and that's what you're getting. it's the best. dematteis still has a lot of surprises to give comics.

see you in the comics, my friend.

michael