JUST A THOUGHT....

[JJZapata]

wouldn't

-ALL NEW ATOM if it was Ray Palmer...
-CATWOMAN if it had been Batman's daughter....
-HAWKGIRL if they never changed the title...
-NIGHTWING if it HAD GEOFF JOHNS AS A WRITER....
GREEN ARROW if it HAD A DIFFERENT ARTIST and MORE ACTION


SELL BETTER ???

[Defunct]

Would they sell better? Possibly, probably not.

Would they be better stories? Almost certainly not.

[UnknownEric]

And maybe the sun won't come up tomorrow if you wash your hair...

I give DC credit for trying new stuff. Yeah, much of it isn't working, but there's always tomorrow and the next relaunch.

[Punchy]

Maybe, could sell less.

Who cares?

[Ranadiel]

wouldn't

-ALL NEW ATOM if it was Ray Palmer...
-CATWOMAN if it had been Batman's daughter....
-HAWKGIRL if they never changed the title...
-NIGHTWING if it HAD GEOFF JOHNS AS A WRITER....
GREEN ARROW if it HAD A DIFFERENT ARTIST and MORE ACTION


SELL BETTER ???
Let me see here, All New Atom I'm already buying but I'm not sure if I would continue if Ray was the lead because he doesn't really interest me.

Catwoman- still wouldn't care.

Hawkgirl- see Catwoman.

Nightwing- I am buying it and still would if he was writer(although that might make things a little tight for him)

Green Arrow- see Catwoman and multiply by 100.

So those changes wouldn't have gotten me to buy anymore. Don't know about everyone else.

[BatWolverine]

Well...

ALL NEW ATOM: Dropped it after 3 issues, neither the character nor the writing/story clicked with me. And damn them for taking away Ray.

CATWOMAN: Don't care anymore. The writing is just too 'sleep inducingly' boring.

HAWKGIRL: First get that girl some proper clothing...and a costume top that doesn't tear open at the first pull.

NIGHTWING: Nah. Forget Johns, get Chuck Dixon back on this one.

GREEN ARROW: Scott McDaniels is one of my faves, so forget about any one else. As for the action, there is more action in this title than there has been in both Flash and Wonder Woman put together. And thanks to the timely schedule, even more issues (than those two sham of titles together).

[sirbluenose]

Only read Nightwing and it's fast heading to the top of the upcoming cull list.
the rest I have already either culled or never read

[Starlord]

Atom: maybe or maybe not. I really love what Gail is doing with this title. And she will be addressing Ray soon, so that's cool.

Catwoman: Again, I like where this book is at the moment, I'm not sure if Batman being the father would have made sales really jump any more then one or two issue's anyway.

Hawgirl: It's a train wreck since OYL. I'm not even sure Hawkman can save it at this point.

Nightwing: I'll let you know once Marv really gets going, now that he knows he has more time to play with the character.

Green Arrow: I'm really not a huge fan of the art on this, but I've loved every story and I think there's plenty of action here. The stuff with Deathstroke was awesome.

[NeoSamurai]

-ALL NEW ATOM if it was Ray Palmer...

maybe. considering his growing popularity post Id Crisis and the mystery of what he's doing and such, I think this series might've sold better if they used this character with a writer like Simone.


-CATWOMAN if it had been Batman's daughter....

sold more comics? maybe. been better? doubt it. the logic Pfeifer uses is sound. In the long run, making Batman a deadbeat dad isn't a good idea and having a Batfather degrades Selina as the main character of her own book.


-HAWKGIRL if they never changed the title...

unsure. I personally liked what was going on in Hawkman with Hawkgirl. She adds a really strong element to the comic and can support her own book. I think the issue with this book was really that going into the book, there's no real direction. Hawkman had the reacclimating of his identity and mythos. Hawkgirl needed something like that.


-NIGHTWING if it HAD GEOFF JOHNS AS A WRITER....

Though a definite positive, I think this is more of a writing approach as well. Jones and Didio really didn't seem to have a long term direction for Nightwing. The question is "What do we do with him?". Johns is the type of writer to recognize that. The same can be said with Wolfman. The two of them can demonstrate long term planning and character development with care for the character.

GREEN ARROW if it HAD A DIFFERENT ARTIST and MORE ACTION

Bwa???!!! Scott McDaniel is one of the best action artists out there. His art is very frenetic and he shows movement very well. My worry was more so that McDaniel's style wouldn't be hindered by a Green Arrow plot (not typically known for intense action and such). Winnick hasn't disappointed with how much action he's thrown into the book. The first three arcs were plots built around action! Deathstroke vs. Ollie. The Arrow family vs. the best martial artists. Brick and Ollie vs. drug zombies. Brick vs. Red Hood. Ollie and Batman vs. Brick and Red Hood. Those have been some good action scenes.

[JJZapata]

I (personally and a lot of people agreed) got interested in Ray Palmer after IdC and lots of people have been questioning his whereabouts, I also think that they have planned something big for him.

You're right about Catwoman being degraded by Batman being her daughter's father but at least she'd be more connected to the Batworld.

Hawkgirl OYL didn't really appeal and that was a bad move since Hawkman was really popular after IdC.

I like what Geoff Johns was doing with Nightwing in Infinite Crisis, I liked the character even more there with all the interaction with Batman.

now the artist in Green Arrow is a bit cartoony and I dont think it fits for Green Arrow, and I meant more action as in not being in an island showing us what happened before, I digged the Deathstroke issue but I have read bad reviews about the current arc, plus I'd like to see black Canary in it and his reaction for not being chosen for the new JLA.

[IvCNuB4]

..............

[BatWolverine]

..............
You IvC...

...I spelled 'ROGUE' correctly in my this week's Spotlight. (An' not rouge.) ;) :D

[BatWolverine]

...having a Batfather...
Don't you mean THE Batfather. :cool: :D

[aeast317]

Would they sell better? Possibly, probably not.

Would they be better stories? Almost certainly not.

im almost 100% sure nightwing would have better stories with geoff johns writing..

[MoneyMelon]

-ALL NEW ATOM if it was Ray Palmer...
probably

-CATWOMAN if it had been Batman's daughter....
That would be the worst idea ever, IMO

-HAWKGIRL if they never changed the title...
Still wouldn't care

-NIGHTWING if it HAD GEOFF JOHNS AS A WRITER....
That would be awesome!!!!

GREEN ARROW if it HAD A DIFFERENT ARTIST and MORE ACTION
Get off the drugs, son

[NeoSamurai]

Don't you mean THE Batfather. :cool: :D
:rolleyes: :D

Selina hasn't been on da 'ho train for a while...though the Batfathah needs to teach her a lesson with his pimpin' skillz...

she needs to learn som 'spect for da work dat the Batfathah does...

because we all know--Pimpin' ain't easy!!!




sorry...

[SuperJesus]

I think we've seen time and again that Ray Palmer and sales just don't mix. The Atom has never been a character who can carry a book

[NeoSamurai]

I think we've seen time and again that Ray Palmer and sales just don't mix. The Atom has never been a character who can carry a book
I'm not sure that holds true. People said the same of Blue Beetle, but Countdown showed how viable he is if handled by a capable writer.

I think that's what it comes down to really.

[BAMJoe]

-ALL NEW ATOM if it was Ray Palmer...
He has had his own series and it didn't do well, so I don't see why it is automatically a given that it would do good this time. I for one am enjoying the new series a lot. Gail is doing a fantastic job.

-CATWOMAN if it had been Batman's daughter....
I agree that this would be a terrible idea.

-HAWKGIRL if they never changed the title...
I think that it is more the story that is the problem on not the character. Also the art made it even worse, but atleast that is better now that Chaykin is off.

-NIGHTWING if it HAD GEOFF JOHNS AS A WRITER....
That would be awesome, but Geoff is way too busy right now and it would just make all of his titles suffer and be late. Get Gage or Andreyko on there. I think that they would be just as great.

GREEN ARROW if it HAD A DIFFERENT ARTIST and MORE ACTION
Couldn't disagree more. I love McDaniel's work and I am enjoying the story right now. I don't mind Jason being back as Red Hood with Winnick writing him. Still, I wouldn't mind Gage or Andreyko writing it either. They are my fall back answer for every question.

[SuperJesus]

I'm not sure that holds true. People said the same of Blue Beetle, but Countdown showed how viable he is if handled by a capable writer.

I think that's what it comes down to really.

The sales of countdown had nothing to do with Blue Beetle and everything to do with the hype of that comic being the start of a major event.

[cncoyle]

I'm not sure that holds true. People said the same of Blue Beetle, but Countdown showed how viable he is if handled by a capable writer.To add on to what SuperJ said, Countdown was one issue. Nearly any character can be "viable" for a single issue. But even on that point, the story lead up to Blue Beetle discovering the truth behind his quest and dying for it.

[NeoSamurai]

To add on to what SuperJ said, Countdown was one issue. Nearly any character can be "viable" for a single issue. But even on that point, the story lead up to Blue Beetle discovering the truth behind his quest and dying for it.

Point as for the event (and cheap price). However, I'd argue that Blue Beetle's story (albeit brief) showed that he can be popular and has a fanbase that could've been weaned off the story in Countdown. An example is the fact that DC made another Blue Beetle book (though with major differences) that had connections to Ted's story.

[SuperJesus]

Point as for the event (and cheap price). However, I'd argue that Blue Beetle's story (albeit brief) showed that he can be popular and has a fanbase that could've been weaned off the story in Countdown. An example is the fact that DC made another Blue Beetle book (though with major differences) that had connections to Ted's story.

A Blue Beetle book that isn't selling well. It's basic fact that every time a character is killed in a comic, they become the favorite of the fanboys. Look at Hawkeye when he was killed in Avengers. A few months earlier his book was axed, but once he died people went nuts.

[NeoSamurai]

A Blue Beetle book that isn't selling well. It's basic fact that every time a character is killed in a comic, they become the favorite of the fanboys. Look at Hawkeye when he was killed in Avengers. A few months earlier his book was axed, but once he died people went nuts.

However, if you do a comparison of Blue Beetle's appearances before Countdown vs. Hawkeye's death in Av: Dis, I'd argue that there is a difference saleswise and interest in BB before his death.

[SuperJesus]

Questionable on that
Birds of Prey always did pretty well and the Formerly League mini did well by surprise. I do think DC forgot how many people loved Beetle from the 80s Giffen DeMatties run on League, but I think we all know the guy isn't a headliner. He's not someone who sells enough books to get his own.

As for Hawkeye, I honestly never heard anyone say that he was their favorite character until he was killed

[NeoSamurai]

Questionable on that
Birds of Prey always did pretty well and the Formerly League mini did well by surprise. I do think DC forgot how many people loved Beetle from the 80s Giffen DeMatties run on League,

they forgot or did it because of

but I think we all know the guy isn't a headliner. He's not someone who sells enough books to get his own.

again, I'm not too sure. I think it came down to writing on that. It's sad when you look at how he was written in Countdown and you realize that if he was treated as such by really good writers like in that book, he might've actually been a big name seller.

what-if's and might've beens...




As for Hawkeye, I honestly never heard anyone say that he was their favorite character until he was killed

I still don't hear too much of that, just that Hawkeye was the shiznitz or badass or something.

[Guy Dagui]

I think Green Arrow rocks.The rest of the titles can simply go away.